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28th September 2012, 12:51 PM
kevin wooldridge Wrote:Uo1 forgot to mention the joy of balancing quite large stones on the corner of the krafser blade and with a circular motion of the wrist and lower arm, lobbing them quite long distances. You wouldn't be doing that with a trowel or a dutch hoe and it doesn't require the back or knee bend required with the long handled shovel.....
You'd be amazed how far I can still chuck quite large stones (bricks are perfect) with my Fill'ardin-esque long shovel thanks! - and if you ain't bending your knees you're probably putting unneccesary strain on your other bits - earthmoving should be a whole-body exercise, probably why I've lasted so long, no individual bit has imploded yet :face-approve:
Anyway, if you want to chuck stones the Basques perfected the equipment hundreds of years ago in wickerwork, as advertised in the opening credits of Miami Vice I seem to recall, or there's always the staff-sling
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28th September 2012, 02:31 PM
Have you been drinking Dino? Friday afternoon sauce?
Hum....
Long Handled shovels... ah.... dream! I picture you now less a sagging old grump but more an Iron MAn now.
THe KRaftser is a tool it takes time to learn... ah the healthy and safety nightmare tricks you can devise!
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28th September 2012, 05:21 PM
You not come across pelote? Pyrennean shepherds used to kill wolves with the things! Think they use a softer ball in the sports version although I notice they still seem to wear helmets....what's wrong with a long shovel, saves all that b******ing about worrying about how to get the barrow within ten feet of the trench that people seem to spend a lot of time fussing about on site, or messing about with buckets. Not got a lot of time for any digger who cant get at least 95% of the spoil into the barrow at 5m+, bet you can't do that with one of them Scandiwegian devices Unit is so keen on?
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28th September 2012, 10:54 PM
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Dinosaur Wrote:You not come across pelote? Pyrennean shepherds used to kill wolves with the things! Think they use a softer ball in the sports version although I notice they still seem to wear helmets....what's wrong with a long shovel, saves all that b******ing about worrying about how to get the barrow within ten feet of the trench that people seem to spend a lot of time fussing about on site, or messing about with buckets. Not got a lot of time for any digger who cant get at least 95% of the spoil into the barrow at 5m+, bet you can't do that with one of them Scandiwegian devices Unit is so keen on?
Actually better than that - 100%!! The krafser comes with a large metal tray (krafser brett) into which the spoil accumulates as you hoe ( a bit like the grass catcher on a lawn mower). The brett has two handles either side you pick up and tip straight into barrow or onto spoil heap. I reckon an average barrow holds roughly 6 heaped 'brett' ful.....so no shovelling involved at all.
![[Image: Krafsebrett]](http://www.maxbo.no/Produktkatalog/Jernvareverktoy/hageredskap/Spader--krafser2/Krafsebrett/)
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29th September 2012, 07:08 AM
Where is Mr Cartoon! I am picturing an epic Japanese film style battle between a Dino with a Shovel and a 60ft high techno Viking with a Kraftser
Game on!
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29th September 2012, 01:35 PM
Quote:Actually better than that - 100%!! The krafser comes with a large metal tray (krafser brett) into which the spoil accumulates as you hoe ( a bit like the grass catcher on a lawn mower). The brett has two handles either side you pick up and tip straight into barrow or onto spoil heap. I reckon an average barrow holds roughly 6 heaped 'brett' ful.....so no shovelling involved at all.
I think Kevin's making this all up.
Next he'll be telling us it has eighteen gears, a foghorn and a USB plug which hooks it up to GIS.
I looked this up -a bucket seems like a far better deal to me. Surely If you're dealing with very wet soil the krafser brett would just put muck down your trousers.
I should add I've never used a krafser before . . .
http://www.nhm.uio.no/fakta/zoologi/forh...-masse.jpg
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29th September 2012, 03:26 PM
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@ dino (or similar)
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29th September 2012, 03:28 PM
@ Kevin Krafser Brett (that name has a nice ring to it.)
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30th September 2012, 10:56 AM
The brett still looks like it involves messing about walking to the barrow? And doesn't look much good for getting soil over the back of the heap from a deep trench? Any way, 'round here they'd all be bent to the point of unuseability in about ten seconds, judging by what the workforce seem to manage to do to every other bit of kit we buy them.
@Cartoon - wrong sort of shovel (although they're good kit too), would be bad news taking a break resting on that one! :0
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30th September 2012, 09:52 PM
This is a great spade:
http://eng-uk.fiskars.com/Products/Diggi...ging-Spade
Used one on a dig in early September and it is an absolute joy to use.
