23rd October 2008, 07:05 PM
Mr Hosty, your efforts are much appreciated.:face-approve:
"'"There is a bigger problem though. I have noticed in the past few years that universities are starting to crank out belligerant archaeology graduates (see IfA paper on scribd) who do not listen, look and learn but only challenge every single sentence like a bunch of three year olds. I mean the very little things like, "clean your tools, please share the wheelbarrow because there isn't enough space in that corner, don't walk on that area, it hasn't been photoed...." I really think work experience on a real site would demonstrate why a site is a team effort.' -TM
Although this is slightly going off topic I wanted to weigh in on this one in particular, because I am not sure that this is the fault of universities especially.
Right now I do not work in the commercial sector, but for the last couple of years I have taken university students as part of their fieldwork experience to work on one of my sites abroad. Unfortunately, I have often had a very similar experience to what trowelmonkey describes. At first I thought this was subjective, but I have since gotten the same feedback from others....I've found that there are increasingly people who simply do not take pride in the simple mantra of 'a job well done' and see this as a source of motivation and inspiration. And there are increasingly people who simply think they know it all, and won't bloody listen to well-meant advice. And there is an increase in selfishness and a lack of teamwork, for sure. I have seen this a lot on my projects, but sometimes it is simply something that you can't teach!
My experience is the same as trowelmonkey describes, and I cannot help but feel that this might simply be a generational change - even if saying that makes me sound like an old crank." -I_Love_Rocks
When I first came across this problem I too thought it was my bad luck to get a couple "difficult" ones in a short space of time. Comparing notes over the past 2-3 years this seems to be a trend. These same people also seem to take criticism very personally. Suddenly, "you'll hurt your back if you shovel like that," seems to mean "I hate you, you are minging," and I'm feeling a little bewildered and suddenly like an old fogy!
If we are experiencing a generational shift, how do we constructively integrate a generation that does not naturally think outside themselves into the better aspects of the work culture?:face-thinks:
PS student@gla, I hope I don't come across as 110, this is just a trend i'm noticing, not "all the waens today
Seeing the skills wish list develop aren't glad you went to glasgow?
"'"There is a bigger problem though. I have noticed in the past few years that universities are starting to crank out belligerant archaeology graduates (see IfA paper on scribd) who do not listen, look and learn but only challenge every single sentence like a bunch of three year olds. I mean the very little things like, "clean your tools, please share the wheelbarrow because there isn't enough space in that corner, don't walk on that area, it hasn't been photoed...." I really think work experience on a real site would demonstrate why a site is a team effort.' -TM
Although this is slightly going off topic I wanted to weigh in on this one in particular, because I am not sure that this is the fault of universities especially.
Right now I do not work in the commercial sector, but for the last couple of years I have taken university students as part of their fieldwork experience to work on one of my sites abroad. Unfortunately, I have often had a very similar experience to what trowelmonkey describes. At first I thought this was subjective, but I have since gotten the same feedback from others....I've found that there are increasingly people who simply do not take pride in the simple mantra of 'a job well done' and see this as a source of motivation and inspiration. And there are increasingly people who simply think they know it all, and won't bloody listen to well-meant advice. And there is an increase in selfishness and a lack of teamwork, for sure. I have seen this a lot on my projects, but sometimes it is simply something that you can't teach!
My experience is the same as trowelmonkey describes, and I cannot help but feel that this might simply be a generational change - even if saying that makes me sound like an old crank." -I_Love_Rocks
When I first came across this problem I too thought it was my bad luck to get a couple "difficult" ones in a short space of time. Comparing notes over the past 2-3 years this seems to be a trend. These same people also seem to take criticism very personally. Suddenly, "you'll hurt your back if you shovel like that," seems to mean "I hate you, you are minging," and I'm feeling a little bewildered and suddenly like an old fogy!
If we are experiencing a generational shift, how do we constructively integrate a generation that does not naturally think outside themselves into the better aspects of the work culture?:face-thinks:
PS student@gla, I hope I don't come across as 110, this is just a trend i'm noticing, not "all the waens today
Seeing the skills wish list develop aren't glad you went to glasgow?