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#71
Quote:quote:Originally posted by Paul Belford



All good [u]FUN</u> as archaeology is supposed to be. Booze, sex and adventures. I am sure all of our archaeological careers are a bit like that. Deliberately provoking a reaction - well it has certainly done that amongst the poh-faced on this and other forums!

I can see your point, but in that case how come we don't have the female characters making lots of comments about the men then? Or (as has been suggested earlier on) giving the offending man a clip round the ear? Or suggesting that he clearly once had an impressive chest also, but that it appears to have suffered a landslide? Big Grin

As I said before, I don't think I've met just one of 'Dolly', there are quite a few men very like him around. Not just in archaeology I hasten to add!
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#72
Quote:quote:I think it will single-handedly reduce female undergraduate applications - we'll just have to wait til next year and see.

Ummm, leaving aside the fact that most people who take a degree in archaeology don't want a career in it (which is a good thing), I would suggest that anyone who was put off archaeology by remarks made by a fictional character a year previously might not really be that serious about wanting a career in it either...[:o)]
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#73
Quote:quote:Originally posted by Oxbeast

Quote:quote:I think it will single-handedly reduce female undergraduate applications - we'll just have to wait til next year and see.

Ummm, leaving aside the fact that most people who take a degree in archaeology don't want a career in it (which is a good thing), I would suggest that anyone who was put off archaeology by remarks made by a fictional character a year previously might not really be that serious about wanting a career in it either...[:o)]

But do you really want anyone thinking that this is what men in archaeology are like? Bit of an insult to most of the men I know I think........ [8D]
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#74
Without getting too into this...
I don't see Bonekickers as some sort of standard bearer for the profession. You just said yourself that there are quite a few men like Dolly around, although not just in archaeology. Anyone who chooses their career based on the presence/absence of sexism on TV programmes the previous year is probably not using the best information.
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#75
have to say I am worried by the fact that some people seem to think violence is acceptable in the work place when comments such as these are posted:

"I can honestly say that bra remarks are pretty rare and would be greeted with a clout with a well-aimed, toe-tector filled welly!"

and
?has been suggested earlier on giving the offending man a clip round the ear"

The under wired bra joke affecting the magnetometer was a staple joke of practicals in geophysics too many years ago to remember amongst the girls (am I allowed to say that without causing offence) in the group.

Peter
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#76
Quote:quote:Originally posted by Oxbeast

Ummm, leaving aside the fact that most people who take a degree in archaeology don't want a career in it (which is a good thing), I would suggest that anyone who was put off archaeology by remarks made by a fictional character a year previously might not really be that serious about wanting a career in it either...[:o)]
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I'm only in it for the money! Big Grin
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#77
Making underwired bra jokes is one thing... and even a male piercing...

The inherent sexism is within several other scenes. (in the bra scene .. for example, after Dollys comment, a person would have normally said... what a perv) however, he also face to face makes comments about a new colleagues breasts (twice in fact) in Ep 1, he is allowed to show a slide of a naked girl, which accidentaly slips into a slideshow that he has created specifically... by now I would be getting worried about being alone with him...

I fear that anything that shows women as being suitable only as eye candy and breast fodder .. and the odd singing ! That is a bad presentation of archaeology... embarrassing and sexist.

the proffered violence in the workplace is at least confined to wishful thinking, attitudes to women are sadly all to real...





"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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#78
Hot news for Mark Horton....

Although he worked with and inspired a great detectorsit friend of mine... he still felt he could belittle and condenced SHAME

however... his enemy was closer at hand...

Quote:quote:Hugh (Gregory 'Dolly' Parton) was born in London and studied theology at Cambridge before training as an actor. He began in theatre, joining the Royal Shakespeare Company before moving into television and films. He married artist Lulu Evans in 1998 and they have one son.

Besides a long-held interest in history, in real life Hugh insists he doesn't have much in common with his character Gregory, who sports curly hair, glasses and a fedora - in a nod to Indiana Jones.

But he does admit to doing the odd spot of metal detecting.

"I'm quite sad actually at heart," he admits. "I'm fascinated by what lies beneath our feet, which is what this series is about. I grew up in the south of England where there's been a huge amount of archaeology going on, and I live very near a Roman road. I tragically asked my wife a few years ago for a metal detector, which she bought me, and I found a 1730-something penny in my dad's back garden, which is worth absolutely nothing.

"But metal detecting is quite entertaining...

Oh Mark Mark Mark... and I am sure his involvement with the Rapperee Cove (Devon) slaves had nothing to do with that storyline...?

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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#79
On the topic of sexism in archaeology, as this subject now seems to have become, I can't say I've ever been aware of any, but perhaps I have been lucky, or I am a man (I don't mean perhaps I am a man, I am..you know what I mean!).

What I was quite surprised by was the recent IFA magazine and the article about working in France in the 1970s by Jason Wood. Not only was this particular edition, in my opinion, one of the least relevant to the lives of most archaeologists working in this country, members of the IFA or not, but that particular article was quite pointless. The portrayal of archaeology in it was quite disappointing, with references to students being taken on only because they were female and lived close to the excavation director or something similar (I haven't got it in front of me). I wasn't quite sure whether the point of the article was to say 'wasn't it terrrible back then' or something, but the portrayal of archaeologists was a bit embarrasing.
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#80
Oxbeast - fair enough, I wasn't having a go. [8D]

Dr Wardle - hadn't come across the underwire issue (I didn't tend to wear them back then!) but I did have an incident where we noticed the readings going up and down and then realised the person holding it was wearing steel capped boots.....

On the sexism in archaeology issue - many women and men who responded to the BWA survey reported having heard/been on the recieving end of comments, although this was less likely to be the case if you were older (Over 40).

And back on topic (ish) I still haven't seen this episode yet! I'm quite looking forward to seeing the Roman one next week. A friend works in the baths in Bath and he says 'believe me, it gets worse', but I think he'll be watching too! }Smile



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