16th November 2009, 11:24 PM
pps... Kevin... have you read the IfA Facebook discussion you started. :0
Phil Mills is enjoying he fray.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8531366027
He is happy for quotes... though I suggest people read the whole to place everything in proper context
Please do take the time to read the rest of the exchange between us.
At the end of the day, I am contending that something went on ... and this affects us all. Also... and with due respect... being a CBM specialist is with a job very different from being a digger in the field in the 21st century. Being on a committee is great, but not exactly at the coalface.
I like the comment about teh Digger, whcih has only returned recently after a serious absence AND is a bit quiet... it turns out ehy are without internet... HOWEVER... DIGGER.. if ever we needed a voice... it is now.!
Phil Mills is enjoying he fray.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8531366027
He is happy for quotes... though I suggest people read the whole to place everything in proper context
Phil Mills Wrote:I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for 'why doesn't this organisation I'm not a member of not represent me' argument - besides which there are a number of channels by which non members can make their voices heard - I don't think that they can be reasonably expected to have an equal voice to people who have paid up, gone through peer review and ... Read Morebound themselves to the code of conduct.
There are clear and transparent rules about joining the IfA and how decisions are made. If someone thinks the IfA is affecting them with its descisions and they choose not to be within it to put forward their point of view ( or join with others to argue the case) well thats their choice
Phil Mills Wrote:I don?t know about your ?fact? that Ros threatened the Ifa ?perhaps you ghave different information from me ? can you tell us how and when? Preferably with some independently corroborated data?
Phil Mills Wrote:We are not bandying words about who are worse employers ? you made an (unsupported) statement implying that the RO pay minima would force non ROs to reduce their pay streams if they are forced to enter the scheme. I called you on it ? my experience with a number of ROs and non Ros as employees and latterly clients tends to suggest Ros are better. The limited data from the Finds group survey of finds practice also suggests that Ros have better procedures in place, although the feed back from non Ros was too small to be statistically significant, and when we run the survey again I hope that we will getter a better response so we would have a better evidence base . You have not offered evidence to contradict this analysis. What kind of pressure are non ROs answerable to?
Phil Mills Wrote:How many people have lost their jobs and been black listed through complaining? I keep see these allegations banded about, butt here are such things as industrial tribunals and outlets like the digger where allegations of such happenings could be made. I have heard nothing to support the idea of an industry wide black list?.
My understanding of the IfA is based on 6 years of council, 9 years on the validation committee (including some 3 years as vice chair!) some 6 years on the IFA Finds group committee (the last 3 years as chair) 6 years as a member of the committee for working practices in Archaeology , as well as experience on committees of a number of different organisations out side of the Ifa ? which is always useful in understanding on how to argue your case in a democratic forum, and the compromises necessary to get an agenda addressed, as well as how even small changes can have big impacts ,an appreciation on how long things can take, and how external events can rapidly change everything.
Please do take the time to read the rest of the exchange between us.
At the end of the day, I am contending that something went on ... and this affects us all. Also... and with due respect... being a CBM specialist is with a job very different from being a digger in the field in the 21st century. Being on a committee is great, but not exactly at the coalface.
I like the comment about teh Digger, whcih has only returned recently after a serious absence AND is a bit quiet... it turns out ehy are without internet... HOWEVER... DIGGER.. if ever we needed a voice... it is now.!
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Thomas Rainborough 1647
Thomas Rainborough 1647