15th April 2005, 01:13 AM
I think some waters are being mudded here ...
for example:
"i started an apprenticeship in a garage in 1977 and was earning ?20.00 per week then. since then i've been to college, got a degree and am only earning ?50.00 per day."
In 1975 I earned UKP 2.20 per day working in a book shop. In 1976 I earned UKP 14.60 + accommodation (tax free) for a 40 hour week working in York. In 1977 I earned UKP 149 (what - yes it is true) with free accomodation (UKP .50p for heating). On graduation I earned UKP 94 per week (plus free accomodation in a caravan).
I simply will not be believed what I earned as a post graduate.
After post grad I had a job in the area I wanted on a salary of about (I think) 9k. I bought a house (allbeit a small one next to a chemcial works) as most of my friends did.
Not a major wage but I could afford the basics (I could afford to drink and have a mortgage).
Sorry I am rambling ... my point in the seventies "pay" was not that bad - the conditions ie subsistence payments, lack of job security were not that great.
The notion that developers can afford more is naive. The notion that archaeologist are not taken seriously is partially true.
It is simply not that easy for everybody to put up their prices and pay people more. For example everybody would have to do it at the same time for it to work.
I suggest that we have to consider things like the ratio of pay to charge out rates. I think we have to look at productivity (and quality). In my view developers paying more would not solve the problem (it might help though).
Peter
for example:
"i started an apprenticeship in a garage in 1977 and was earning ?20.00 per week then. since then i've been to college, got a degree and am only earning ?50.00 per day."
In 1975 I earned UKP 2.20 per day working in a book shop. In 1976 I earned UKP 14.60 + accommodation (tax free) for a 40 hour week working in York. In 1977 I earned UKP 149 (what - yes it is true) with free accomodation (UKP .50p for heating). On graduation I earned UKP 94 per week (plus free accomodation in a caravan).
I simply will not be believed what I earned as a post graduate.
After post grad I had a job in the area I wanted on a salary of about (I think) 9k. I bought a house (allbeit a small one next to a chemcial works) as most of my friends did.
Not a major wage but I could afford the basics (I could afford to drink and have a mortgage).
Sorry I am rambling ... my point in the seventies "pay" was not that bad - the conditions ie subsistence payments, lack of job security were not that great.
The notion that developers can afford more is naive. The notion that archaeologist are not taken seriously is partially true.
It is simply not that easy for everybody to put up their prices and pay people more. For example everybody would have to do it at the same time for it to work.
I suggest that we have to consider things like the ratio of pay to charge out rates. I think we have to look at productivity (and quality). In my view developers paying more would not solve the problem (it might help though).
Peter