15th January 2008, 07:20 PM
this is more like it...
a vicious debate carried out with politeness! Apart from comments about dress sense!
To pick up gumbos point
exactly what I have been bleating on about for a while (and not alone I might add) a flexible approach... a reward, where the detectorist who found the site, is allowed to continue... as clearly they are responsible and report finds, otherwise they would not have reported it in the first place... even offering support, training free ziplock bags..? Why not... we have to find solutions.. not continually handwring about the problems.
The best solution is to show the doubters on both sides that they may be loud, they may take the headlines... but they are a minority and past their sell by date... This does not mean that every detectorist becomes a trainee archaeologist G1 level no... they remain a detectorist.. but we can spare the time to ensure that we treat them in such a way that they don't see us as middleclass twits with university degrees and an inability to talk with the general public...
Training Training Training... Education Education Education... Flexibility etc.....
Richard Hall... I know him too... made us work blinkin hard at Kellington! and we were on 24 hour shifts as it was! But hey I haev a soft spot for YAT... Though you could not get over that everyone was uncomfortable... I like the idea of BAJR marraige Guidance... maybe Me and Neil Oliver can wife swap on a celebrity dance X factor Rally [:o)]:face-huh:
anyway... back to the topic..
Gary has mentioned the list of Detectorists provided on a searchable map ... this is indeed going to happen... need a crew... click and pick... I know very few detectroists (well perhaps a few!) who would not be happy to do this (and don't give me the H&S card... as we all know it is perfectly possible if.. as has been said, it is written in from the start.) So YES... YES YES... the more we get to know each other... the more the demon image that we have of each other disappears.
Viking structures...in the countryside rather than towns. pesky cillbeams and the like, leaving only the slightest groove in the ground...which is usually ploughed away anyway. bring back post holes and proper ditches! They are as hard as the blinkin Meso folk to find their structures!
To finish off... as Peter says... we have to act.
The choices to me are clear.
A) Do nothing and hope that er... something happens
B) Do something aggressive... p#ss off thousand of detectorists who could actually help find and record stuff we would never find...
C) Do something positive so that we can both utilise each otheres skills.
Guess which one I go for....?
:face-huh:
I have stopped being angry over the last few years... started being realistic.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
a vicious debate carried out with politeness! Apart from comments about dress sense!
To pick up gumbos point
Quote:quote:If you want my opinion on practice then I am in favour of public funds being made available for surface find sites to be preserved in situ, but I feel that the continued practice of the detectorists needs to be thought about when sites have been discovered by detecting. In short 'flexible' preservation in situ (is this a contradiction in terms i hear you say!).
exactly what I have been bleating on about for a while (and not alone I might add) a flexible approach... a reward, where the detectorist who found the site, is allowed to continue... as clearly they are responsible and report finds, otherwise they would not have reported it in the first place... even offering support, training free ziplock bags..? Why not... we have to find solutions.. not continually handwring about the problems.
The best solution is to show the doubters on both sides that they may be loud, they may take the headlines... but they are a minority and past their sell by date... This does not mean that every detectorist becomes a trainee archaeologist G1 level no... they remain a detectorist.. but we can spare the time to ensure that we treat them in such a way that they don't see us as middleclass twits with university degrees and an inability to talk with the general public...
Training Training Training... Education Education Education... Flexibility etc.....
Richard Hall... I know him too... made us work blinkin hard at Kellington! and we were on 24 hour shifts as it was! But hey I haev a soft spot for YAT... Though you could not get over that everyone was uncomfortable... I like the idea of BAJR marraige Guidance... maybe Me and Neil Oliver can wife swap on a celebrity dance X factor Rally [:o)]:face-huh:
anyway... back to the topic..
Gary has mentioned the list of Detectorists provided on a searchable map ... this is indeed going to happen... need a crew... click and pick... I know very few detectroists (well perhaps a few!) who would not be happy to do this (and don't give me the H&S card... as we all know it is perfectly possible if.. as has been said, it is written in from the start.) So YES... YES YES... the more we get to know each other... the more the demon image that we have of each other disappears.
Viking structures...in the countryside rather than towns. pesky cillbeams and the like, leaving only the slightest groove in the ground...which is usually ploughed away anyway. bring back post holes and proper ditches! They are as hard as the blinkin Meso folk to find their structures!
To finish off... as Peter says... we have to act.
The choices to me are clear.
A) Do nothing and hope that er... something happens
B) Do something aggressive... p#ss off thousand of detectorists who could actually help find and record stuff we would never find...
C) Do something positive so that we can both utilise each otheres skills.
Guess which one I go for....?
:face-huh:
I have stopped being angry over the last few years... started being realistic.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu