4th March 2007, 12:01 AM
apologies VoR. you seem to be under the impression that I am somehow trying to be combative or dictatorialâ¦. I assure you I am not and apologise if it comes over as that.
You ask about the 5%
as you know the LGA negotiations will come up with around 3 - 3.5% though Unison is actually asking for 5%. Currently the IFA, PROSPECT and BAJR are jointly involved (as well as talks with SCAUM) to complete the Benchmarking on job descriptions and related pay levels⦠it is clear already that large gaps between the expected pay and levels of current pay .
as to the extra pound a day - my maths are this;
3% of say £270 pw = £8.1 - that is what you will have to add on as a minimum anyway to comply with the IFA - now I am thinking⦠when the benchmark comes back and says⦠you should raise pay by 18% (say for example) and you ALL say⦠we are poorly paid.. we need more â¦. When the Digger Forum starts a campaign, when Prospect supports it⦠then I think ⦠hey why not add that little extra now⦠a little extra now.. to what we all know will have to increaseâ¦. I suggest an extra 2% (bringing us up to 5% rise) that extra 2% = an extra £1.08 per day â¦. So yes you are right⦠it ainât a pound its 1.08
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The pensions sure do muddy the waters⦠the sickness and holidays are only fair⦠so no argument there.
I really am sorry you re so angry that the wages should rise in this way and donât really understand what your problem is.. be glad that people are actually working on this.. Not just me, but many others, who take time, effort, and money to be part of a joint solution. I could ask --- why not?
As you say can we also take the personal element out of this you started posting on this thread with comments such as
your pious hopes of monitoring will have to be put on hold.
The threat of not being allowed to advertise on BAJR - not exactly the biggest deterrent in the world
I think someone needs a shot of business realism in this etc
Finally there are many companies that are already paying rates that donât need to worry about these rises⦠so some seem to be ok already.
If you ask me whether or not I could absorb an extra £1 (sorry £1.0:face-thinks: then yes I could⦠would I do itâ¦. Yes I would⦠because it is the right thing to do. As to pension and sickness and Holidays ⦠that I leave to the law to decide for me.
So non RAOs⦠you can choose to ignore any rise⦠or rise by 3% .. you will still have to pay sickness and holiday⦠- As I say the pension has so many caveats to it that digging staff will not in general be affected⦠(suitable qualifying period etcâ¦.. )
I am telling people to do nothing⦠I am asking people to start paying more now⦠rather than wait another year⦠to show that people mean more than a few extra quidâ¦
If you have any questions relating to your requirements as an RAO .. ask the IFA.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
You ask about the 5%
as you know the LGA negotiations will come up with around 3 - 3.5% though Unison is actually asking for 5%. Currently the IFA, PROSPECT and BAJR are jointly involved (as well as talks with SCAUM) to complete the Benchmarking on job descriptions and related pay levels⦠it is clear already that large gaps between the expected pay and levels of current pay .
as to the extra pound a day - my maths are this;
3% of say £270 pw = £8.1 - that is what you will have to add on as a minimum anyway to comply with the IFA - now I am thinking⦠when the benchmark comes back and says⦠you should raise pay by 18% (say for example) and you ALL say⦠we are poorly paid.. we need more â¦. When the Digger Forum starts a campaign, when Prospect supports it⦠then I think ⦠hey why not add that little extra now⦠a little extra now.. to what we all know will have to increaseâ¦. I suggest an extra 2% (bringing us up to 5% rise) that extra 2% = an extra £1.08 per day â¦. So yes you are right⦠it ainât a pound its 1.08
)The pensions sure do muddy the waters⦠the sickness and holidays are only fair⦠so no argument there.
I really am sorry you re so angry that the wages should rise in this way and donât really understand what your problem is.. be glad that people are actually working on this.. Not just me, but many others, who take time, effort, and money to be part of a joint solution. I could ask --- why not?
As you say can we also take the personal element out of this you started posting on this thread with comments such as
your pious hopes of monitoring will have to be put on hold.
The threat of not being allowed to advertise on BAJR - not exactly the biggest deterrent in the world
I think someone needs a shot of business realism in this etc
Finally there are many companies that are already paying rates that donât need to worry about these rises⦠so some seem to be ok already.
If you ask me whether or not I could absorb an extra £1 (sorry £1.0:face-thinks: then yes I could⦠would I do itâ¦. Yes I would⦠because it is the right thing to do. As to pension and sickness and Holidays ⦠that I leave to the law to decide for me.
So non RAOs⦠you can choose to ignore any rise⦠or rise by 3% .. you will still have to pay sickness and holiday⦠- As I say the pension has so many caveats to it that digging staff will not in general be affected⦠(suitable qualifying period etcâ¦.. )
I am telling people to do nothing⦠I am asking people to start paying more now⦠rather than wait another year⦠to show that people mean more than a few extra quidâ¦
If you have any questions relating to your requirements as an RAO .. ask the IFA.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu