20th December 2006, 11:03 AM
Yes - or it would not have got on the list. (plus the list of benefits is large... including holidays etc...)
Is the pay of archaeologists in general too low... well yes... but we all know that.... So it is not fair to suggest that the wages don't match the job.... they match the current pay scales...thatâs all.
A Project Archaeologist is not being asked to be a full G4 type person (just doing Watching Briefs is not being a full Supervisory job)... and so is well in the new G3/4 type grade - from where they are on a springboard to G4. But allows an experienced Digger to get higher wages.
I have to confess that I have not seen these Trainee jobs you are talking about... all diggers jobs start at 13854... apart from a very few which I have checked to ensure are really training posts. The Post you talk about... trainee report writer.. I have talked with the Contractor (I do try ya know) and was assured and convinced that it was indeed such a post... where, after a 3 months of training.. (ie... time and input from the employer to provide training to the person to become a report writer - and boy do some people need training) they will move up to the next grade.
Notice that they were to be given full training in AutoCAD, Adobe Illustrator etc⦠and how to write reports - very handy skills that will help them get other jobs. And was £11,193 (the bottom of G1)
People can over estimate their abilities⦠and can ned training to achieve the next level. I know myself that thinking I can run a site is very different from actually running a siteâ¦. thinking I could run a company better was a whole lot of poop that I did not know about⦠was not prepared for and was a steep learning curve⦠(a curve that often meant I made big mistakes) The training grade is important between each level.
I know what you are trying to say trowel⦠However if people with years of digging experience are considering it⦠greatâ¦. Not because of the wage⦠but because of the opportunities it opens up for the future⦠People pay to go on courses to learn⦠this is a chance to gain the training and get paid⦠Apprenticeship if you willâ¦.. so what they are doing is not demeaning themselves⦠rather taking a look at their skills⦠seeing where they have a chance to learn and get paid⦠and making a sensible decision.
Can I once again re-iterate.. sometimes I make mistakes⦠but in 99% of all adverts⦠I check personally ones that seem to be on the edgeâ¦I turn down adverts that donât meet minimum levels⦠(perhaps not the best way to make maximum money⦠but I feel it is more ethical..)
The wage levels are a different thing⦠but have people joined the Diggers Forum? Will people stick by BAJR..? I certainly hope so.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
Is the pay of archaeologists in general too low... well yes... but we all know that.... So it is not fair to suggest that the wages don't match the job.... they match the current pay scales...thatâs all.
A Project Archaeologist is not being asked to be a full G4 type person (just doing Watching Briefs is not being a full Supervisory job)... and so is well in the new G3/4 type grade - from where they are on a springboard to G4. But allows an experienced Digger to get higher wages.
I have to confess that I have not seen these Trainee jobs you are talking about... all diggers jobs start at 13854... apart from a very few which I have checked to ensure are really training posts. The Post you talk about... trainee report writer.. I have talked with the Contractor (I do try ya know) and was assured and convinced that it was indeed such a post... where, after a 3 months of training.. (ie... time and input from the employer to provide training to the person to become a report writer - and boy do some people need training) they will move up to the next grade.
Notice that they were to be given full training in AutoCAD, Adobe Illustrator etc⦠and how to write reports - very handy skills that will help them get other jobs. And was £11,193 (the bottom of G1)
People can over estimate their abilities⦠and can ned training to achieve the next level. I know myself that thinking I can run a site is very different from actually running a siteâ¦. thinking I could run a company better was a whole lot of poop that I did not know about⦠was not prepared for and was a steep learning curve⦠(a curve that often meant I made big mistakes) The training grade is important between each level.
I know what you are trying to say trowel⦠However if people with years of digging experience are considering it⦠greatâ¦. Not because of the wage⦠but because of the opportunities it opens up for the future⦠People pay to go on courses to learn⦠this is a chance to gain the training and get paid⦠Apprenticeship if you willâ¦.. so what they are doing is not demeaning themselves⦠rather taking a look at their skills⦠seeing where they have a chance to learn and get paid⦠and making a sensible decision.
Can I once again re-iterate.. sometimes I make mistakes⦠but in 99% of all adverts⦠I check personally ones that seem to be on the edgeâ¦I turn down adverts that donât meet minimum levels⦠(perhaps not the best way to make maximum money⦠but I feel it is more ethical..)
The wage levels are a different thing⦠but have people joined the Diggers Forum? Will people stick by BAJR..? I certainly hope so.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu