21st January 2008, 12:03 AM
Words and reading of words are very important....
Starchers said "Please be very very careful before you start accusing myself or any other consultants of something like this".
No lets be clear its your words I object too, not anyone else. To use your phrases 'Lovely tactic' in trying to tie in other consultants in order to produce an apparant attack on Australian Archaeologists which would be a bit silly because then I'd be attacking myself.
Yes, you are spot on with my words
"The fact is when talking to people in Perth I never shout and I researve that for consultant archaeologists who even though they trained at UWA seem to believe that racism and in particular institutionalised racism is predominantly something from a hundred years ago...."
Is aimed at your statement Posted 7/1/08 when you said
"Yes many of the things you are talking about happened, some of them 100 years ago and more, some have been corrected where possible, much more needs to be done." [Ideas might be good]
So whats with the hundred years? The statues in Perth sprang up in the last two years, the plaques on the streets are still appearing, the curfew for Aboriginal kids was extended last year to the railway station. The Aboriginal mental health services cut about three years ago, 'our' Labor Government is fighting the first successful urban land claim NOW. Swan Brewery a few years ago, lack of info on Rottnest NOW, 20 year gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous life expectancy NOW, 40% Aboriginal kids in Juvenile justice in WA NOW, 14% of adults from 2% of Aboriginal people in Adult Gaols NOW.
Racist letters and articles filling the Newspapers NOW. I could go on.
I think it is a great shame that as an archaeologist trained at UWA you get hot under the collar at the 100% provable facts I list (but obviously you know they are all true, since you don't counter them)but have not given any ideas of what to do about these appalling examples of racism.
In addition, as archaeologists even things that happenened long ago, such as the 1905 act which gave a ticket system for Aboriginal people on farms or Rottnest etc are very important when this history is either not known or told in a distorted way.
So enough of your irritation at me, why not try addressing the question as to what archaeologists living and working in Perth and WA can do about the racism we hopefully all want to fight against.
Whether you 'disengage', or decide to 'pop' in again is not that important really.
But it would be interesting to know what you think might be a good strategy in countering the things mentioned above, because so far you hav'nt indicated what you think about
The statues in Perth, the plaques on the streets, the curfew for Aboriginal kids, extended last year to the railway station, the Aboriginal mental health services cut about three years ago, 'our' Labor Government fighting the first successful urban land claim NOW, Swan Brewery a few years ago, lack of info on Rottnest NOW, 20 year gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous life expectancy NOW, 40% Aboriginal kids in Juvenile justice in WA NOW, 14% of adults from 2% of Aboriginal people in Adult Gaols NOW and the Racist letters and articles filling the Newspapers NOW.
I'm even unclear as to whether you think these are all clear cut examples of racism.
Your position on this unlike you position about my comments is far from clear.
You also said "some have been corrected where possible"??
Which and where?
Do you know that the 1905 act which allows the speciffic of Gaoling of Aboriginal people with VD is still on the statute books?
Awaiting your reengagement when you pop in next.
Arthus
Starchers said "Please be very very careful before you start accusing myself or any other consultants of something like this".
No lets be clear its your words I object too, not anyone else. To use your phrases 'Lovely tactic' in trying to tie in other consultants in order to produce an apparant attack on Australian Archaeologists which would be a bit silly because then I'd be attacking myself.
Yes, you are spot on with my words
"The fact is when talking to people in Perth I never shout and I researve that for consultant archaeologists who even though they trained at UWA seem to believe that racism and in particular institutionalised racism is predominantly something from a hundred years ago...."
Is aimed at your statement Posted 7/1/08 when you said
"Yes many of the things you are talking about happened, some of them 100 years ago and more, some have been corrected where possible, much more needs to be done." [Ideas might be good]
So whats with the hundred years? The statues in Perth sprang up in the last two years, the plaques on the streets are still appearing, the curfew for Aboriginal kids was extended last year to the railway station. The Aboriginal mental health services cut about three years ago, 'our' Labor Government is fighting the first successful urban land claim NOW. Swan Brewery a few years ago, lack of info on Rottnest NOW, 20 year gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous life expectancy NOW, 40% Aboriginal kids in Juvenile justice in WA NOW, 14% of adults from 2% of Aboriginal people in Adult Gaols NOW.
Racist letters and articles filling the Newspapers NOW. I could go on.
I think it is a great shame that as an archaeologist trained at UWA you get hot under the collar at the 100% provable facts I list (but obviously you know they are all true, since you don't counter them)but have not given any ideas of what to do about these appalling examples of racism.
In addition, as archaeologists even things that happenened long ago, such as the 1905 act which gave a ticket system for Aboriginal people on farms or Rottnest etc are very important when this history is either not known or told in a distorted way.
So enough of your irritation at me, why not try addressing the question as to what archaeologists living and working in Perth and WA can do about the racism we hopefully all want to fight against.
Whether you 'disengage', or decide to 'pop' in again is not that important really.
But it would be interesting to know what you think might be a good strategy in countering the things mentioned above, because so far you hav'nt indicated what you think about
The statues in Perth, the plaques on the streets, the curfew for Aboriginal kids, extended last year to the railway station, the Aboriginal mental health services cut about three years ago, 'our' Labor Government fighting the first successful urban land claim NOW, Swan Brewery a few years ago, lack of info on Rottnest NOW, 20 year gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous life expectancy NOW, 40% Aboriginal kids in Juvenile justice in WA NOW, 14% of adults from 2% of Aboriginal people in Adult Gaols NOW and the Racist letters and articles filling the Newspapers NOW.
I'm even unclear as to whether you think these are all clear cut examples of racism.
Your position on this unlike you position about my comments is far from clear.
You also said "some have been corrected where possible"??
Which and where?
Do you know that the 1905 act which allows the speciffic of Gaoling of Aboriginal people with VD is still on the statute books?
Awaiting your reengagement when you pop in next.
Arthus