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PAS alert!
#31
The Portable Antiquities Scheme and the Indifference of Government

http://archaeoastronomy.wordpress.com/20...overnment/

Mike Heyworth, Roy Clare and Roger Bland on the PM programme on BBC Radio 4 discussing this issue Sat 26 Jan

http://www.finds.org.uk/wordpress/index.php/442

Parliament TV - oral questions

http://www.finds.org.uk/wordpress/index.php/443

Transcript of yesterday’s debate

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?i...01-28a.6.1
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#32
Regarding the possible demise of PAS. To be honest I'm not sure I am that concerned (apologies to those reading this who are employed by it). Prior to the existance of FLOs many museums (certainly in this area - North West) used to (and probably still do) look at artefacts brought in by members of the public. These were regularly published in the local journal, which is infinately easier to reference that the PAS website; these finds generally made it on to the HER/SMR too, and were sometimes even published with a (contraversial, I know) grid reference. Meanwhile, most of the museums are grossly under funded, threatened with closure and lacking in facilities, and they were essentially doing the PAS job, on a smaller and less formal scale in the first place.

As I'm sure many detectorists are not 'in it for the money', having a captive audience in form of the local FLO is simply encouraging them to detect more than they might have been before. This is fine as long as the PAS or something similar exists, but if it stops what then? You can't un-invent the increased interest once you have created it.

The perceived snobbishness of professional archaeologists (however you define it) towards detectorists is perhaps to be expected. Many have spent years working in their field trying to get some recognition, whilst a detectorist might spend minutes working in their field and get enless praise for what is, essentially a fluke (although I'm sure there are many detectorists who spend far longer than the professionals in research before the start, there have been several cases, I'm sure, where the detectorist had literally picked the machine up for the first time). You can see how an archaeologust might be a bit bitter about it. Also the issue of qualifications, although a bit of a red herring and probably enough of a sore point amongst archaeologists, is not a valid way to attack archaeologists as snobs. It is simply a mechanism to try and guage someones reliability (however inaccurate). What equivalent is there for detectorists? They could be good bad or indifferent and how is anyone supposed to know at first glance? It has to swing both ways (sorry, that sounds a bit wrong!)

As an archaeologist working in the commercial sector I can't say that I have benefitted from the information that the PAS has made 'available' without considerable effort, which is hardly ideal when trying to compile a DBA with a limited budget. And when I hear that museums can't take a single box of pottery because they are too full, I do wonder what the overall benefit of the PAS is to anyone other than detectorists.
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#33
Thanks for that alternative look... it is a critisism levelled at the PAS (from many angles) that the ifo is not easy to access...

Though please read this :
http://www.finds.org.uk/wordpress/index.php/441
which asks for comemnt on a revamp....
So what features do you want to see? Here’s a few ideas that I’ve already implemented at the Celtic Coin Index:

More straight forward URL structures- http://www.finds.org.uk/database
More portable data formats included (microformats for example)
View a random record option
More straight forward interfaces - SEARCH!!!!
Download your search results into KML, CSV, JSON, RSS, geoRSS, etc
Google maps interface with integrated data sources from Pleiades etc
View all artefacts discovered by this finder
Switch between expanded details and contracted details for records easily
I’ve written a document of over 100 pages for the rebuild specification, which is available on request.

So they are asking, and if people don't tell... then...... only ourselves to blame.

I am interested in how the PAS data could be used in a commercial context, becasue we must not forget the HER transfer of data... after the work on Water Newton... I realised that the best use of the data was as an event... rather than hundreds of dots on the map... ie... there has been an 'event' over this area. jsut like an archaeolgoical survey. I will be uploading the report (all 150 pages) to OASIS, like a good boy.

What and how would you use the data?







"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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#34
Quote:quote:rumours abound about a loss of staff, but that has not been approved by anybody and is a matter for the scheme itself. It has received not only a bit of inflationary funding from the MLA, but extra funding from the British Museum, so I am unsure why those running the scheme feel the need to make a cut.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?i...10371#g6.4

Now Im confused.
Can anyone shed a little light on this for me please??



Website for responsible Metal Detecting
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk
Recording Our Heritage For Future Generations.

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#35
Quote:quote:Originally posted by RedEarth

I do wonder what the overall benefit of the PAS is to anyone other than detectorists.

This is a view that I have heard on a number of occasions and I have to admit that I occasionally drift that way myself... particularlly when I remember that so many detectorists distrust the ‘establishment’ that they set up their own scheme (UKDFD) to avoid having to benefit from my tainted tax money. Maybe it could be better spent beefing up HERs to provide some or all of the PAS service.


Quote:quote:Originally posted by BAJR Host

What and how would you use the data?

I would use the data to give an indication of the possible existence of ‘unidentified’ rural settlement in the same way I might infer something similar from a stray find recorded in an HER.


D. Vader
Senior Consultant

Vader Maull & Palpatine
Archaeological Consultants

Don't make me destroy you, Curator
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#36
We want to get as many people as possible to write to those MPs who haven't signed the EDM.

So far over 40% of all eligible MPs (Excluding all Government Ministers, Parliamentary Private Secretaries, Shadow Ministers, Scottish and Northern Irish MPs) have signed the EDM, but there are still another 233 MPs who could sign and haven't done so.

If your MP is on this list please can you to write to them and ask them to sign the EDM

http://ourpasthistory.com/md/mps%20still...20sign.pdf
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#37
Portable Antiquities Scheme

• PAS is a voluntary scheme to record archaeological objects found by the public. It is funded (£1.3 million in 2007/:face-thinks: via the Museums, Libraries & Archives Council
• In 10 years the PAS has recorded more than 314,000 archaeological finds on its online database (http://www.finds.org.uk), the largest online database of its kind anywhere in the world.
• The data generated by PAS is increasingly being used for research: 17 recently-completed or current PhDs and 30 other dissertations which use PAS data, and PAS is a partner in 8 AHRC-funded research projects.
• In 2006 PAS organised 776 outreach events: as part of National Archaeology Week 2007 PAS staff were involved in 69 events across the country, attended by 6,925 people and examined 2,331 finds. PAS has proved effective at bringing people into museums who don’t otherwise attend them; 46% of visitors to Fabulous Finds Days (Museums & Galleries Month 2005) had never previously been to that museum before. A post-code analysis of those who have recorded finds with PAS show that 47% were from social classes C2, D and E, compared with 32% of visitors to museums
• In 2006, 247,103 unique visitors visited the PAS database and website (http://www.finds.org.uk) and there have been almost 82 million user hits; a 62 per cent increase on 2005–6. New features have been developed including educational resources for children and a Roman coin identification guide.
• PAS is revealing many new archaeological sites, as most archaeological investigations are developer-led, while metal-detector users are not: a recent study shows that the PAS data gathered over the last three years has revealed 24 new Roman settlements in Wiltshire, increasing the number of known settlements in the county by 15%.
• PAS is increasingly recognised as a model of good practice by governments and scholars in other countries, including the USA, Russia, China, France, Scandinavia, Holland, Germany, Austria, Greece and Turkey.

Support for PAS
• 149 MPs have so far signed Early Day Motion 566 in support of PAS;
• 2,350 individuals have so far signed two ePetitions supporting PAS;
• Current Archaeology currently has a vote on its website asking whether users support a national of regional PAS: the vote is 96% of 500 people who have voted are in favour of national scheme;
• Many members of the public have written to Ministers and MPs;
• Support from overseas – eg the Archaeological Institute of America; American Numismatic Society; Ancient Coin Collectors Guild;
• 17 leading professors of archaeology have written expressing their concerns;
• all the members of the Scheme’s Advisory Group;
• 4 former Arts Ministers have had one meeting with Roy Clare in support of PAS and plan another one;
• Media reports in The Guardian, Museums Journal, British Archaeology, Current Archaeology.

Management of PAS
• Whole of BM from Neil MacGregor downwards is very committed to PAS: fully integrated into BM as a separate dept, absolutely key element in the BM’s programme of work with regional museums (eg a touring exhibition on PAS is planned in 2010).
• BM has nothing against a review of PAS as such, but to do it against the background of cuts makes no sense because the Museum will already have had to take major decisions about future direction by the cuts that it will have to make.
• Problem with PAS has been to find best home for it as it falls between the worlds of museums and archaeology. MLA sees it exclusively as a museum project which it is not: of 34 partners, 11 are county councils.
• It had always been understood in the 2005 agreement between BM and MLA over running of PAS that complete responsibility would transfer to BM for next SR anyway.
• Whole of Advisory Group expressed concern with MLA’s management of PAS.

Funding
• In 2004/05, when PAS received HLF funding, the total budget was £1.343 million and it was £1.396 million in 2005/06. In 2006/07, after DCMS took on direct funding, the budget went down to £1.262 million and is now £1.3 million in 2007/08.
• All partners contribute a 5% cash contribution towards posts.
• In 2006/07 BM was able to use underspends of HLF and DCMS funding accrued between 2003 and 2007 totalling £110K. In 2007/08 PAS has survived by (a) living off expenditure made in advance at the end of financial year 2006/07 and (b) through partners adding more than the 5% contributions, but they have indicated that they cannot do this beyond 31 March.
• Frozen funding of £1.3 million means cutting at least 4 and possibly 5 out of the current 50 posts: PAS is a front line service and the Ministers have affirmed that the purpose of the SR was to protect front-line services.
• PAS needs £1.49m to carry on at current level. This year’s budget was set in 2003 and is too low. Many posts have been regraded with substantial increases in staff costs: the partners are subsidising these extra costs this year but made it clear they won’t renew contracts unless full costs are met. Increased need is nearly all due to rising staff costs and we rely on the partners’ co-operation to renew contracts: if they don’t think they’re getting enough, they won’t renew.
• Consequences of £1.3 million funding next year:
o The following posts have already been ear-marked for closure: Education Co-ordinator; two Finds Advisers; and a second, half-time, Finds Liaison Officer post in York. The BM may also need to cut a fifth post.
o The half-time York Finds Liaison Officer was to be transferred to Teesside where it is desperately needed, as currently only 1 FLO covers the whole of the North East region from the Tees to the Scottish border: that is not possible with £1.3 million.
o The consortium of partners in Oxon and Berks, currently covered by 1 FLO, has written to say they won’t provide cover for East Berks unless an extra half-time post is funded, so there will be a gap in provision of PAS in Berks.
o There will not be enough money to fund FLOs’ travel costs which means they will have to cut down on their visits to metal detecting clubs and means Treasure process will be slowed down, as they won’t be able to bring finds to London more than say twice a year.
o Outreach activities will suffer with loss of Education Co-ordinator post and there will be no money to pay for materials for small displays or publicity material needed for Finds Day events etc., nor to pay travel expenses for volunteers.
o There will be no money for development of PAS website, nor for the archaeological illustration of finds, essential if they are to be published in scholarly publications.
o Regional newsletters will cease being published (currently each of 5 regions publishes one a year).
• PAS is already making all possible efficiency savings: eg saving £20K by producing a single combined Annual Report on Treasure and PAS, instead of separate ones; scrapping newsletters; saving £15K on maintenance costs for database.
• In 2007/08 the BM is making a cash contribution totalling £66K to PAS and provides the following contributions in kind provisionally costed at a further £250K:
o Accommodation for 7 staff;
o Management time spent by the Directorate;
o Marketing Department producing PAS and Treasure Annual Reports and other publications;
o Information Systems Department;
o Human Resources;
o Departments of Prehistory & Europe and Coins & Medals (time spent by curatorial staff providing their expertise for PAS staff);
o Conservation, Documentation and Science.
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#38
oops forgot link

http://ourpasthistory.com/md/pas_1.pdf
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#39
I wrote to my MP and asked him to sign it. I had a very nice reply last week thanking me for my correspondance, and informing me that he agreed with the EDM and had tried to sign it. However, since it was from the last parliament, it was now closed and no new signiatures could be added.
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#40
I am still waiting for my mp to write back. Perhaps they are trying to cover up paying their kids too much.
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