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A question if you please
#21
Hello I was just wondering if detectorists think that it is unfair that archaeologists are not allowed to use the PAS to identify finds.

I also wonder if Detectorists could become members of the ifa based on their Detecting competence. Seems unfair that they couldn't as they are studying the past, increasing our knowledge and educating the present.
.....nature was dead and the past does not exist
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#22
Marc Berger Wrote:Hello I was just wondering if detectorists think that it is unfair that archaeologists are not allowed to use the PAS to identify finds.

I also wonder if Detectorists could become members of the ifa based on their Detecting competence. Seems unfair that they couldn't as they are studying the past, increasing our knowledge and educating the present.
u nit you know full well no competence is required to join ifa
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers
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#23
You nit yourself. I am not sure that is the whole requirement. To join the ifa you have to agree to abide by the ifa codes of conduct-and for example would show detectorits to understand what archaeologists attitudes to "plough soil" mean. A lot of the loops that the PAS put detectorists through presumably are based on the ifa codes set by the "archaeologists" running the PAS. Why don't detectorits go the full hog and get the benefit of detecting within the ifa codes of conduct. The situation at the moment seems to be very patronising-you don't need a degree to become a ifa member but if you are a detectorist we would like "them" to understand things differently to how we would. Obviously there is the problem that the PAS will not "identify" what archaeologists find.

It might be interesting to know if the PAS have a definition for "plough soil". Could be something like: all soil in which metal detectors find stuff.
.....nature was dead and the past does not exist
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#24
Marc Berger Wrote:It might be interesting to know if the PAS have a definition for "plough soil". Could be something like: all soil in which metal detectors find stuff.
you may well be right. i think they should join the ifa and they should abide by the codes of conduct but i think that landowners have a responsibility in ensuring that finds from their ploughzone are recorded. i also think that anything 'archaeological' is treasure and is the propeerty of the state. i just cant think of a way of enforcing any of it - strange that
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#25
BAJR Wrote:Was the question.

unless nobody else can see that? in which case, that is very very weird!

but then.... the forum is playing up a bit. and I need some time to fix some issues. like this. ( moderated posts ( even mine) and non uploading images ) sigh... never ends...

So I can see the top post... can you?

hi David, just for your internal system, the question was indeed missing for a while but it's there now!
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#26
"i think that landowners have a responsibility in ensuring that finds from their ploughzone are recorded."

why? you read as if who ever finds it should do the reporting
.....nature was dead and the past does not exist
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#27
P Prentice Wrote:you may well be right. i think they should join the ifa and they should abide by the codes of conduct but i think that landowners have a responsibility in ensuring that finds from their ploughzone are recorded. i also think that anything 'archaeological' is treasure and is the propeerty of the state. i just cant think of a way of enforcing any of it - strange that


In Scotland all archaeological finds of merit are the property of the state at the moment, something else we do better!
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#28
Do you live in the Borders?
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#29
Thank you Exile... seems it was one of a few posts that were moderated. but I could see Smile I even found one of my moderated posts!

And for everyone else. stay on topic - or start a new one
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#30
archaeologyexile Wrote:In Scotland all archaeological finds of merit are the property of the state at the moment, something else we do better!

Why is that better ? Yet more finds to be stuck in plastic boxes gathering dust in a storeroom only to be seen by some crusty academic once every 30 years.

I'm glad I don't live in Scotland.
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