Is this Restriction of Trade?

[NWA]

Although I should add that CPAT would like it to be Restriction of Trade........

[Dinosaur]

....Or they may, having sort advice. realised they didn't have a case worth pursuing....

Nah, think I was right the first time, most of them are barely keeping their heads above water financially as it is, doubt they'd start on expensive legal test cases as a hobby

[P Prentice]

a small glimpse of the brave new world

[BAJR]

Even in the wacky world of chartered/non chartered architects and accountants you can still choose who to use./ the choice/chance is up to the client. not the council. If I wasa council archaeologist - as Martin has said, my wording would be CAn I point you in the direction of the IfA list of ROs however other archaeological companies are available. via BAJR and Yellow pages for example. I express a preference but not an exclusion.

One day though - you never know

[Unitof1]

no ...by what regulation or statutary act is there the necessity for any list or for a curator to exist. Its two layers of holyhocks trying to reinforce a jobs worth of nothing. anybody staring at somebody digging a foundation is not archaeology, let the builders report anything. if you want archaeology you have to evaluate. Please show me a single museum mantel piece littered with the product of ANY curaTORS STIPULATIONS in the last yten years that we are proud of??

[Jack]

no ...by what regulation or statutary act is there the necessity for any list or for a curator to exist. Its two layers of holyhocks trying to reinforce a jobs worth of nothing. anybody staring at somebody digging a foundation is not archaeology, let the builders report anything. if you want archaeology you have to evaluate. Please show me a single museum mantel piece littered with the product of ANY curaTORS STIPULATIONS in the last yten years that we are proud of??

We got:
-some mosaic during a sewer renewal
-three square barrows with grave goods, two round barrows, one with later cremations with posh grave goods and nearly complete burial urns, RB and anglo-saxon settlement with bucket loads of pottery (including six new fabrics), bone combs, Anglo-Saxon smithy......not to mention expanding info on neolithic and BA pits in the area, during a pipeline
-double barrow, neolithic to RB settlement next to a marsh on a Watching Brief.

Just as starters. All three of the above were on curators stipulations and wouldn't have happened otherwise

[Sith]

-three square barrows with grave goods, two round barrows, one with later cremations with posh grave goods and nearly complete burial urns, RB and anglo-saxon settlement with bucket loads of pottery (including six new fabrics), bone combs, Anglo-Saxon smithy......not to mention expanding info on neolithic and BA pits in the area, during a pipeline
-double barrow, neolithic to RB settlement next to a marsh on a Watching Brief.

I'm not knocking what sounds like a great result, but would I be correct in assuming that it was the result of a monitoring condition following unexpectedly blank evaluation results? If I was the client, I would have been asking why no one was able to give me an inkling that such riches were there before I started work and had to wait for the archaeologists to mop them up. Unless we're talking about strip and record, which is a different kettle of fish.

[Wax]

I would have thought any curator worth their salt would be very cautious over any lists. My understanding was that you could keep lists of those who had worked successfully in an area but that actually recommending anyone is dodgy legally. Recommending that project leaders have the equivelant qualifications needed for MIFA is also fine but curators do not determine who does the work that is the clients job. You live or die by what your clients (and curators) think of you not by what the IFA says.

Of course you have to meet the curators, conditions but again any curator with experience knows who can and cannot do a job properly just by looking at their track record without recourse to looking at IFA membership or RO status. Yes there are standards in archaeology usually these are published by the IFA but are usually the result of various organisations working together. We all know that meeting those standards is a matter of personal professional ethics not membership of the IFA.

[Jack]

I'm not knocking what sounds like a great result, but would I be correct in assuming that it was the result of a monitoring condition following unexpectedly blank evaluation results? If I was the client, I would have been asking why no one was able to give me an inkling that such riches were there before I started work and had to wait for the archaeologists to mop them up. Unless we're talking about strip and record, which is a different kettle of fish.

First was monitoring because of the possibility of unexpected archaeology turning up.
The second was strip map and record because unexpected archaeology was expected
The third was monitoring with, ahem, no evaluation.

[Dinosaur]

I'm not knocking what sounds like a great result, but would I be correct in assuming that it was the result of a monitoring condition following unexpectedly blank evaluation results? If I was the client, I would have been asking why no one was able to give me an inkling that such riches were there before I started work and had to wait for the archaeologists to mop them up. Unless we're talking about strip and record, which is a different kettle of fish.

Not my jobs (slight involvement in no.3), but think I know which referred to :-

(I) was, as Jack says, while digging a big deep trench for emergency repair to a sewer, so no eval possible, sadly the Victorians had tunnelled the sewer under the mosaic
(II) - when you've already re-routed your pipeline past all the cropmarks etc you're still bound to hit stuff, sods law, still cheaper than hitting the known stuff
(III) - only eval was peering down some GI pits in the p***ing rain (very, very miserable couple of days out, and hopeless for trying to spot stuff), if the client doesn't want to pay for geofizz and trial trenches then they takes their chances