27th November 2005, 11:49 PM
Well here we are... according to one member
the Digger is a Marxist Rag and BAJR is full of Anarchist Idiots, and this is the private view of the CBA, IFA and Britarch....
Don't be shy... [:I] speak up about what is wrong with BAJR.
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28th November 2005, 12:21 AM
CBA, IFA and Britarch = people who generally think that archaeology is in a reasonable state of health and only minor change is needed.
BAJR = people who generally think that awful wages+contracts, poor health and safety, and unresolved issues at the heart of the profession mean that lots of change is needed.
If that is a fair characterisation (if...) then I know who I support
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28th November 2005, 12:42 AM
What this discussion need is a bit of historical perspective.
Diggers: 17th century political group somewhat to the left of the Levellers.
Quote by 17th century Digger Gerrard Winstanley: 'If either one king rules or many rule by king's principles much murmuring, grudges, trouble and quarrels may and will arise among the oppressed people on every gained opportunity."
Nothing much changes....
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28th November 2005, 12:44 AM
What this discussion needs is a bit more historical perspective regarding Diggers.
Motto of the Peasants Revolt, 1381. 'When Adam dug and Eve span, who then was the gentleman?'
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28th November 2005, 09:35 AM
"Was the earth made to preserve a few covetous, proud men to live at ease, and for them to bag and barn up the treasures of the Earth from others, that these may beg or starve in a fruitful land; or was it made to preserve all her children?"
Gerrard Winstanley The New Law of Righteousness, 1649
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28th November 2005, 10:24 AM
I am sure that there is a world of difference between the 'private views' of the CBA management and views expressed on the Britarch discussion list.
Even though the Britarch list is managed by the CBA is has the same relationship with it as BAJR Forum does to our Mr. Host. In other words the CBA is not responsible for the comments placed on there, any more than BAJR is responsible for mine or anyone elses comments placed here.
The Britarch list does seem to be populated by even wierder people than live here. Yes BAJR might have its share of left-wing loonies but they are quite harmless compared to some of the nutters on Britarch. That's why I am here and not there.
Incidentally I think the IFA and probably the CBA are aware of many of the concerns re wages, career structure etc. that are often raised on BAJR and do seem to be doing something about it, albeit slowly.
Don't be discouraged Mr Host, I am sure your behind the scenes discussions are not going to be de-railed by the comments of some list members (either on Britarch or on BAJR).
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28th November 2005, 10:28 AM
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28th November 2005, 02:52 PM
It's not every day I get accused of being an "anarchist idiot". Any hints as to which leviathan intellect sent this in our direction?
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28th November 2005, 03:13 PM
The thread about the Digger being a Marxist rag (which, to be fair, it more or less is) was started by Beer Beast, who wrote
Quote:quote:Maybe the IFA,CBA and Britarch have it right when they say, (off-list)that bajr is populated by anarchist idiots!
Beer Beast seems to work for the Oxford unit. I am not sure what his source is but please see my earlier email re the distinction between the Britarch discussion list and the CBA. Possibly he is also a member of Britarch discussion list and had entered into discussion off-list with other list members 'over there'.
Perhaps he could enlighten us?
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28th November 2005, 03:54 PM
"Archaeology is a beautiful mistress who unfortunately brings with her a poor dowry". Champollion.
Howard Carter was always slagging off his treasure hunting American boss prior to being employed Lord Carnarvon.
I would say more archaeologists are "Marxist" not "Adam Smithist" as Marx has much more interesting things to say on exchange systems and supply and demand. We should remember he wrote "Das Kapital" after he visited Manchester (the most polluted city in the world at that time, also with the lowest live expectancy and chronic poverty) with Engels.
Little Tim
