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21st October 2005, 01:35 PM
10 years? [:0]
I think the chances are probably difficult to judge because it really depends on the competition. Try here:
[url][/url]http://www.ahrb.ac.uk/holders/research/research_grants.asp?ComponentID=90892&SourcePageID=90469
(I really have worked in the field)
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21st October 2005, 02:39 PM
Personally I would try and miss out the Masters stage, its not really worth a hell of a lot and the fees are the same as a PhD. Depends where you see yourself going eventually but it is still possible to bargain years of field experience in lieu of a masters. Have you condsidered funded Phd's via tryuing to get a dept to do an add-on to an existing project? That way you stand a decent chance of sidestepping all the depts shining star, career academic wannabees. If you choose a university with a field unit you may be able get some fees reduced or waived in lieu for teaching. I may be talking absolute knackers here but the AHRB competition route is really set up for people already at university and wanting to continue with the support of the dept. This may all be true for the Masters as well, anyway I would say go for it though Troll,speak to a dept. make em interested and they will make it possible.
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22nd October 2005, 01:40 PM
Thankyou lots. Lots of good points that I will have to chew over. Just can`t quite see myself in sh*t-filled trenches in ten years time.....
Certainly could`nt go back to consultancy-I have morals and am far too honest
Could`nt go the mounty route cos I`d hurt someone
Could`nt become a specialist cos four walls would drive me insane
Would`nt run sites in ppg-land if you put a gun to my head
Oh well, plan B-selling deck chairs to lobsters on Paphos beach it is then....
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22nd October 2005, 09:54 PM
I see where you`re coming from Beery and in an ideal world, it sounds good. Unfortunately, I`m not a fan of ppg driven archaeology and as such, would rather stay in the field.I would go as far as to say that I find competative archaeology offensive as a member of the public. In a managerial role, I would instantly become a part of what I humbly see as the problem. Given a choice (God willing), I would give my genitals for a position in research archaeology outside of competative tendering.Will have to ask santa!!
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22nd October 2005, 10:39 PM
i'd go for plan B troll, meze and sun instead of mud and arthritis
++ i spend my days rummaging around in dead people ++
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23rd October 2005, 11:25 AM
Interesting point Troll - you say you want to stay in the field because you find commercial tendered archaeology offensive. I don't quite follow. Presumably however you work in the field in commercial archaeology? Are you saying then that contract field archaeologists are not part of commercial archaeology? Put another way, you do not feel any responsibility for any wrongdoings of your employer that you may have to carry out under orders, so to speak?
Err, that actually sounds a bit nastier and more pompoous than I intend, no offence meant, I hope you see what I mean!
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23rd October 2005, 08:07 PM
Understood sir- no misreading at all- your point is nice and clear.Poses me with quite a job in answering it though! Ok, here goes...
I am at risk of being seen as a cop-out by using an analogy but:
a nurse or paramedic will inevitably see the ultimate results at ground level of being shafted by an apathetic government imbued with a silver mouth. Said practitioner will however, continue to do their best at ground level because thats what they do and, they love it.Not only that, they can go home knowing they did their level best and in some way-made a difference. I certainly don`t put myself on the same footing as these underpaid/overworked angels of the NHS-all power to them by the way-I love em` all but.....I hope you can see why staying where I am is important to me.I have in the past been lucky enough to play roles both way above and below my current station and it is in the field where I am happiest. Yes, I currently work in commercial arch although I digress into research as often as possible until someone-somewhere liberates me!!!!
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24th October 2005, 10:48 AM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by troll
Certainly could`nt go back to consultancy-I have morals and am far too honest
Speak for yourself (or your former employers?) So you appear to have worked for a bunch of site destroyers, don't tar us all with the same brush. As myself and others have tried to point out, consultants aren't all the same. Some of us DO give a sh*t.
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24th October 2005, 02:02 PM
Troll, I wholeheartedly agree with you. At the coalface you can do your best and if you're stroppy enough sometimes do a proper job. The further up the food chain you move in commercial archaeology the compromises you are forced to make become more unpalatable. I probably should have started my own company years ago, but can't stand the idea of doing cheap crappy work for years until the business finds its feet.
