Publishing pay details?

[ecmgardner]

I spotted this on the BBC website and wondered what impact declaration of salaries would have on archaeology...?

I hope this is in the right place Mr Hosty I wasn't sure whether to put it in videos or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7576284.stm

[BAJR Host]

interesting concept - I think this a good place to put it

"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers

[Unitof1]

An ultimate in really interesting concepts along these lines could be if all our tax returns were public documents….Under freedom of information; shouldn’t they be?

[BAJR Host]

now that would be interesting reading!

"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers

[Dirty Dave Lincoln]

I would think that those companies who only pay the minimum wage,or just above it won't be keen on this idea as they would be shown up as exploitive cheap-skates-though wether they would raise their pay rates as a result is doubtful.:face-huh:

[BAJR Host]

What would happen if there was a voluntary system for companies that ... say .. agree and pay minimums ... were listed and there fore those that did not would be obvious.. without listing them by name ?

"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers

[Austin Ainsworth]

One potential problem with that is some companies who do pay over the minimum but who didn't want to be on the list could be lumped together with those who can't be listed because they don't pay the minimum.

The assumption would be that those companies not on the list failed to satisfy the criteria and are in effect named and shamed by non-inclusion. A company I worked for last year who never advertise jobs would probably not want to be on the list and they pay well above IFA and BAJR minimum rates.

[chert]

Have no sound ATM so clip was a bit lost on me, but my thoughts on the general topic.

In order to compare like with like you have to be able to know what someone is actually doing to earn their salary. Easier said than done when in archaeology there are a multiplicity of job titles for the same job, and worse, there are some jobs with the same title and completely different specs depending on the employer.

It does get a bit easier once you get to PO level, but below that is a minefield. I've know experienced excavators doing supervisors jobs, supervisors doing project officers jobs, people with job titles no one else has ever heard of. I've even heard of people being promoted up to supervisor within a unit when they needed one, then demoted back down to digger pay when no longer required as such (shameful behaviour).

I suppose the way forward is to have a recognised list of ranks related to the autonomy and responsibility of the individual within the organisation. E.g. Do you have primary responsibility for recording? Do you regularly supervise others, and if so how many? Do you regularly write archive reports? Etc.

[BAJR Host]

quote:A company I worked for last year who never advertise jobs would probably not want to be on the list

yo would have to ask, why they would not want to be on a list... if the criteria were fair, the cost was nothing and the benefit was both commercial and archaeological. They would not have to advertise jobs to be on a list.

quoteuppose the way forward is to have a recognised list of ranks related to the autonomy and responsibility of the individual within the organisation. E.g. Do you have primary responsibility for recording? Do you regularly supervise others, and if so how many? Do you regularly write archive reports? Etc.

how true... and that hopefully exists to a certain degree in the BAJR grades, where it is what you do or are responsible for that matters .. NO what you are called. My old favourite is the 'non' supervising supervisor - oh we just call them that, though they won't do any supervising (cough cough) or the supervisor who seems to run projects, financial, tendering, reports etc.. (sounds a bit PO to me !)

It may not be as bad as we think, but there is a vast latitude in who does what, and how much they are paid, and sadly... what some companies feel they can get away with.

"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers

[Dirty Dave Lincoln]

quote "I've even heard of people being promoted up to supervisor within a unit when they needed one,then demoted back down to digger pay when no longer needed as such (shameful behaviour)"
Yeah,tell me bout it!!I had that done to me (lets say a while back)and the way the whole thing was handled left me seething.