19th September 2011, 04:50 PM
pensions will be mensioned mcduff
Drunky I will try and get to the media bashing archaeology bit but first don?t be mislead by others on bajr by my apparent obsession about pensions. For a long time bajr harped on about pay scales but never mentioned pensions. Pensions are pure profit but profit is a word detested in archaeology especially by all the lefty leaning artists who populate the subject but are almost to a person sitting on pension rights that they expect our children to pay for and who insist that the government borrow vast amounts of money from the banks to pay for or ensure that we have untenable growth in the economy to pay for it. Example from holyhead from the 60/70s to follow.
Now the biggest pension grabbers are the civil servants. It goes all the way back to the romans and probably beyond. Theres a good chance that a lot of britains landscape is still aligned with the roman cadastral tax farming tithes and ?land? taxes system. The civil servants cant help themselves. They are convinced that we are all here to pay their ?..and there are two types of civil servants-those that do archaeology and those that don?t. I am another type of archaeologist and that is one that is not a civil servant.
What your job at wales and at fenland district have in common apart from media bashing is that they are civil service jobs and by that I mean that is that ?they? owned the land and they wanted to develop it. That?s got to be a murky position especially for a civil servant archaeologist. Hasn?t it. Now civil service landownership is a very murky business. Ex grammer schools might have had trusts and governors who ?owned the site before it become whatever it is now.A bit of welsh ownership murkyness seems to be that 113 acres (51.40ha) of land at Ty Mawr, near Holyhead, was once owned by an aluminium factory, Anglesey Aluminium and one that needed a nuclear power station to run it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglesey_Aluminium
One tonne of aluminium requires the same amount of electricity that an average family uses in 20 years, so free power is needed
Don?t worry about the closing of the aluminium factory in Holyhead we have another one here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcan_Lynemouth_Aluminium_Smelter
seems to have been a stinky place and they bought up all the land about it
Why the aluminium factory owned the holyhead land might be for similar reasons. WDA purchased 113 acres (51.40ha) of land at Ty Mawr, near Holyhead, from Anglesey Aluminium but I wonder if the site was part of this cuddly sale in 1969 http://www.kehoecountryside.com/penrhos-history.html
Then the nice aluminium people decide to sell the land and very nice welsh government agency falls over its self to buy it somewhen about 2005-6 a few years before the most important employer of all people in north wales does a bunk.
Now Dunky say that the evaluations were done before this. As a commercial archaeologists this would be the best case profit scenario because what you would say to the buyer is do an evaluation, establish how much the archaeology should cost to excavate and then get a clause in the sale contract that says that the seller ?the aluminium factory people will pay for the archaeology.
Is that what happened?
And See how Dino is plying false humility about the job with the poor little gravel company and its mineral rights.
Drunky I will try and get to the media bashing archaeology bit but first don?t be mislead by others on bajr by my apparent obsession about pensions. For a long time bajr harped on about pay scales but never mentioned pensions. Pensions are pure profit but profit is a word detested in archaeology especially by all the lefty leaning artists who populate the subject but are almost to a person sitting on pension rights that they expect our children to pay for and who insist that the government borrow vast amounts of money from the banks to pay for or ensure that we have untenable growth in the economy to pay for it. Example from holyhead from the 60/70s to follow.
Now the biggest pension grabbers are the civil servants. It goes all the way back to the romans and probably beyond. Theres a good chance that a lot of britains landscape is still aligned with the roman cadastral tax farming tithes and ?land? taxes system. The civil servants cant help themselves. They are convinced that we are all here to pay their ?..and there are two types of civil servants-those that do archaeology and those that don?t. I am another type of archaeologist and that is one that is not a civil servant.
What your job at wales and at fenland district have in common apart from media bashing is that they are civil service jobs and by that I mean that is that ?they? owned the land and they wanted to develop it. That?s got to be a murky position especially for a civil servant archaeologist. Hasn?t it. Now civil service landownership is a very murky business. Ex grammer schools might have had trusts and governors who ?owned the site before it become whatever it is now.A bit of welsh ownership murkyness seems to be that 113 acres (51.40ha) of land at Ty Mawr, near Holyhead, was once owned by an aluminium factory, Anglesey Aluminium and one that needed a nuclear power station to run it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglesey_Aluminium
One tonne of aluminium requires the same amount of electricity that an average family uses in 20 years, so free power is needed
Don?t worry about the closing of the aluminium factory in Holyhead we have another one here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcan_Lynemouth_Aluminium_Smelter
seems to have been a stinky place and they bought up all the land about it
Why the aluminium factory owned the holyhead land might be for similar reasons. WDA purchased 113 acres (51.40ha) of land at Ty Mawr, near Holyhead, from Anglesey Aluminium but I wonder if the site was part of this cuddly sale in 1969 http://www.kehoecountryside.com/penrhos-history.html
Then the nice aluminium people decide to sell the land and very nice welsh government agency falls over its self to buy it somewhen about 2005-6 a few years before the most important employer of all people in north wales does a bunk.
Now Dunky say that the evaluations were done before this. As a commercial archaeologists this would be the best case profit scenario because what you would say to the buyer is do an evaluation, establish how much the archaeology should cost to excavate and then get a clause in the sale contract that says that the seller ?the aluminium factory people will pay for the archaeology.
Is that what happened?
And See how Dino is plying false humility about the job with the poor little gravel company and its mineral rights.
Quote:[SIZE=3]new faces along the way have seen sense so a rather more sensible approach to the archaeology has been taken on all sides, with the client following recommendations from the curator as things go along - since all sides are being willing it all seems to work ok. However, with the usual amount of horse-trading etc I can't imagine any significant profit margins are happening on any side, all the budgets are pared to the bone with all the usual continual cost-trimming [and I can see the client's point, there's sweet f a profit on a ton of gravel at the moment, so they really don't want to spend more on archaeology than absolutely necessary]Hes almost got my heart welling with admiration for how they all solider on without an evaluation. Its not owned by rio tinto by any chance?
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