17th March 2010, 11:43 PM
mididoctors and brazier - both good posts...possibley start of new thread?... perhapes not - maybe simply a drift towards substantive issues...ie what things are REALLY causeing increased risk on sites, and are there elements of OHS practice that poorly reflect them? Have "absurdities" occured as a result of a move to shift blame/litigation away from cost-cutting/minimal-standards-are-fine contracted mangement, and on to workforce majority?........IMHO, yes almost certainly, perhapes more a result of 'culture' and 'accepted practice' rather than Bad Apple conspiring... (but perhapes not...)
Problem is >>>continual chains of sub-contractors creates a culture and industry of blame atribution and avaidance - no single orgaisation is responsible....profit is to be made by some by adresing (and complexifying) the 'commonly' accpeted principles of saftey...
Yes, we definatley want OHS - but is it as principled as assumed, and is it working for us?
Critiscism of OHS is hard - there is a culture that it is 'for our own good', and that to critiscise it is an affront to 'commonly' accepted modes of 'good'/'safe' behaviour...in this thread, for example, attempts to disscus the real situation and work-related risks of cannabis compared to other intoxicants (including alcohol) have been quite viciously attacked, most notabley with assertions that only a person who is stonned and wants to take drugs at work would suggest such a thing....
There are many intersecting issues - and i am glad that i am not alone in in thinking about them, or in making reasoned critiscism of the world we live in.
We can talk about cause; "Property and single interest divides the people of a land and the whole world into parties and is the cause of all wars and bloodshed and contention everywhere", We can join together in the small and everyday ways that matter and make a difference
We can protect the Common Interest from the damage of Irresponsible Capital.
Problem is >>>continual chains of sub-contractors creates a culture and industry of blame atribution and avaidance - no single orgaisation is responsible....profit is to be made by some by adresing (and complexifying) the 'commonly' accpeted principles of saftey...
Yes, we definatley want OHS - but is it as principled as assumed, and is it working for us?
Critiscism of OHS is hard - there is a culture that it is 'for our own good', and that to critiscise it is an affront to 'commonly' accepted modes of 'good'/'safe' behaviour...in this thread, for example, attempts to disscus the real situation and work-related risks of cannabis compared to other intoxicants (including alcohol) have been quite viciously attacked, most notabley with assertions that only a person who is stonned and wants to take drugs at work would suggest such a thing....
There are many intersecting issues - and i am glad that i am not alone in in thinking about them, or in making reasoned critiscism of the world we live in.
We can talk about cause; "Property and single interest divides the people of a land and the whole world into parties and is the cause of all wars and bloodshed and contention everywhere", We can join together in the small and everyday ways that matter and make a difference
We can protect the Common Interest from the damage of Irresponsible Capital.