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15th April 2008, 12:03 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by m300572
On the other hand, the Historic Environment Records Officer has an enviable set of intials
Unsung heritage heroes anyone??[?]
As an unsung heritage hero I have no comment
Website for responsible Metal Detecting
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Recording Our Heritage For Future Generations.
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15th April 2008, 03:01 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by Windbag
Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but what's the difference between "summary conviction" and "conviction on indictment"?
my undersatnding is that summary conviction can be dealt with at Magistrates Court level (though can go to Crown Court), indictment dealt with only at higher Crown Court level, ie with jury
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16th April 2008, 05:15 PM
Sounds right. So under existing legislation, how often do people actually get convicted for damaging SAMs and Listed Buildings?
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16th April 2008, 07:19 PM
roughly the same as under the new legislation
I bet.
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16th April 2008, 07:37 PM
seriosly though..
this book does give some fascinating insight into the reality
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XBsuB...9WvY&hl=en
Listed Buildings, Conservation Areas and Monuments By Charles Mynors
mostly where evidence (hard evidence at that) is overturned by clever lawyers - sentencing and fines reduced... What value do we place on our past? 3000 quid by the looks of it for wilful damage to a SAM... and er... get off with nothing, when carrying out unauthorised allterations to a listed II building.. even when told specifically by the local planning office, and even his own surveyor not to... (the case of Hainhault Hall) - . the Hall can now be bought for a cool 50 grand under 4 million quid.
http://www.toptenproperties.net/buy/detail/?id=5329
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
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17th April 2008, 10:48 AM
I know that the fine for felling a protected tree (i.e. a botanical listing) has recently been increased from ?5,000 to ?50,000. At ?5,000, developers were just seeing the fine as part of the legitimate expense of the business, and it was sometimes cheaper to fell the tree and pay the fine rather than work around it. Perhaps a similar order of magnitude increase is needed for the built/archaeological environment...
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17th April 2008, 11:29 AM
Having said that, fines for environmental damage are still pretty puny: compare the fines for uncompetitive practices in business:
-Severn Trent were fined 35.8 million pounds for misreporting and poor customer service: (
http://browse.guardian.co.uk/search?sear...grid%22&N=)
-National Grid were fined 41.6 million for uncompetitive practices
-Transco fined 15 million for Health and Safety breaches
-Thames water fined a mere 13,500 quid for dumping 120 million litres of untreated sewage into the Forth:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edin...258988.stm
Seems that environment and heritage are most definitely at the bottom of the pile in terms of government priorities. Plus ca change...
