Beer!

[Gog]

Seen on Britarch - bit of a dream consultation, this one:

From David Gamston of CAMRA:

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Consultation on historic pubs in Yorkshire

In the first-ever project of its kind to be undertaken in Yorkshire &
Humber, CAMRA (the Campaign for Real Ale) is consulting widely to
identify what public house interiors of genuine historic value are left
in the Region today. Few pubs have survived the tidal wave of
modernising change of the past three decades and CAMRA's initial surveys
suggest that, of the 6,000 or so in this Region, the proportion could be
as depressingly low as two percent.

In a field which has been largely ignored by mainstream
conservationists, the first draft of CAMRA's Yorkshire Regional
Inventory, listing pub interiors of special historic interest, is an
honest attempt to promote some debate and shared vision, among a
diversity of professionals, about this dwindling heritage. The aim is to
identify and boost recognition for the pub interiors that most deserve
to be spared from insensitive change.

The consultation documents have gone out to all the Region's local
planning authorities, to civic and amenity societies, to English
Heritage, relevant regional organisations and to many others with a
professional interest in the historic built environment or the licensed
trade.

The hope is that professionals and other interested parties across
Yorkshire & Humber will be willing to share their opinions and
knowledge, and help put the Inventory into a final shape that will have
widespread support. The documents can all be found on
YorkshireRIPubs.org.uk . The Consultation is now well under way and
comment and feedback from Britarch members, whether within the Region or
from further afield, is very genuinely and warmly invited.

Please write to David Gamston, 9 Fulfordgate, York YO10 4LY
Or email: yorkshire.pubheritage@camra.org.uk

[historic building]

After a day like today after work I will be doing my own pub survey and not really caring what the interior is like.

[Weegie]

EH commissioned a national survey of historic pub interiors jointly with CAMRA some years ago. One man, who I think was Geoff Brandwood, was paid to travel the country to seek out interesting pubs. I seem to remember that the field reports were particularly valued by Savile Row colleagues as they included tasting notes on the beer.

Brian

[BAJR Host]

I know some... but ain't saying till I get full funding!

where can we find the previous report as a matter of interest?

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[Gog]

A bit late to be doing it, though, now that most historic pub interiors are in landfill or skips - makes for a cheap project to keep the EH bean counters happy.

Perhaps it is associated with the current fascination that the EH Characterisation bods have with the late 20th century - could the first phase of '90s Wetherspoon-style gastro-horror makeovers now be worthy of preservation in their own right?

[Smaze]

I know it could be classed as advertising but the pub has nothing to do with me honest( except i always go for a beer when i'm up in Yorkshire) is the Birch hall inn, in Beckhole , the interior of this public house is completey original and lost in time, it even has its own shop and two bars, one is so big at least five or even eight people can fit in...if your ever near Goathland, i can highley recomend the beckhole to see a pub frozen in the past.

[BAJR Host]

Lets do our own survey!

For me, the ancient Bannermans down in the Cowgate of Edinburgh,
Set in the vaulted cellars of an original Edinburgh tenement - with a nice list of every person who had every owned and traded from it.
Smokey fires and snug vaulted chambers... lovely! I like a bit of run down chic!
http://www.bestpubs.co.uk/layout0.asp?pub=105781


Also the Sheep Heid in Duddingston (the other side of Arthurs seat in Edinburgh (I am working opposite it just now on a contract!)

historians claim that there was an inn licensed on this spot as early as 1360, we are currently attempting to ascertain the truth behind this assertion. What we do know for certain is that not a stone throw away sits the picturesque twelfth century church of Duddingston, and one thing we can be sure of in Scotland is where there were places of worship there was always an enterprising innkeeper offering the faithful nourishment for the soul of a slightly less ecclesiastical nature!

The Sheep Heid doesn?t feature too heavily in the history books again until the time of Mary Queen of Scots when it became a stop off point on her regular jaunts between the royal palaces of Craigmillar and Holyrood. This royal patronage was continued by her son James VI whom tradition records presented the innkeeper with a richly embellished ram?s head snuff box in thanks for the good times had playing skittles in the yard at Duddingston. This head was preserved at the inn until the late 19th century when an impecunious landlord sold it at auction. Thankfully before he did so he had the foresight to have a copy made (albeit with lesser value adornments) which resides behind the bar still (See picture above left). The original head now resides at Dalmeny House, home of the Earls of Roseberry.

Throughout the years that followed countless visitors , famous and not so famous have passed through our doors. Sir Water Scott, J.W.M. Turner, James Hogg, Christopher North, Sir David Wilkie, Sir Henry Raeburn, Robert Louis Stevenson and Compton MacKenzie are just a few of the myriad of talented individuals known to have spent time in Duddingston, undoubtedly imbibing within the Sheep Heid. In 1745 Prince Charles Edward Stewart set up his military camp in the village on the eve of his most significant victory at the battle of Prestonpans. We can be sure that with an entire army of Jacobite soldiers in the vicinity no inn would have been left unscathed, history does not record unfortunately if the Bonny Prince relaxed over a game of skittles and pint of Sheep Heid in the beer garden!

http://www.sheepheid.co.uk/



Anyone else?

A major shurvey!

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[gonetopot]

If funding can be found, this would be a derd cert publication as a historic guidebook, possibly through CAMRA (wonderful people) that would find an audience way beyond those with merely an archaeological interest in historic buildings. Though many serious ale drinkers already have a firm idea of which pubs have an intact historic character and will always choose to drink in them, especially over the dreaded Wetherspoons.

I've lost count of the number of Historic Building Recordings i've seen done on ex-pubs. For some reason they seem to make good beauty salons and hair dressers (i've no idea why).

For my tuppence worth the White Horse pub in Hertford is a beautiful timber frame building with lots of 'snug' rooms situated right outside the old castle gates, and never has less than eight ales on tap. Now about lunch....:face-thinks:

[Oxbeast]

Its got to be the White Horse Inn, in Beverley. All the locals call it Nellies, who I think was the landlady 50 years ago. Its still gas lit, and incredibly dark inside. There is your actual sawdust on the floor. It reminded me of the Prancing Pony at Bree, with similar colourful locals.

http://www.nellies.co.uk/

[Sparky]

Shame about the beer in there, Oxo. Think they do a nice cider.