The Kiss Goodnight for English Heritage

[Hamish]

...I am always amazed by the national trusts membership scheme, maybe have a similar scheme.

English Heritage already have a similar membership scheme http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/support-us/join/
Adult Annual Membership (age 19-59) £48.00
Individual Life Membership £1,050.00


As a member you can enjoy:
Free entry to over 400 historical sites (English Heritage lists 384 sites of which 250 are shown as free entry anyway)
Kids go free (up to 6 children under 19 per adult member)
Free handbook and exclusive members' magazine
Free or reduced-price entry to EH's exciting events
You might also get free entry to Cadw, Historic Scotland and some National Trust sites.

[Unitof1]

and every year these members renew all worth fighting for and then there is the blue plaques http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...aques.html is that staying or going?

[GnomeKing]

As with so much else, our society is being shaped according the vision and perceptions of Monied Posho's and RobotsMadeOfHam - death by 10,000 cuts is sadly right.
Worse, the stage has already been set for complete continuity of agenda in 2015, when MillyBRAND takes over (Blue is the new Red).

No cuts to ANti-TERror - no cuts to CGHQ and POLice 'domestic spies' - no cuts to rampant 'intervention' budgets - no plan to drop trident...(however probably more blue plaques and 'nationaly important works of art')

The debt is not ours - it does not need to be repayed - it is a scam.

>1000 cuts needs 1000 protests - but who will feasibly protest that large aristocratic properties should be payed for by the Nation???...
MArket value and planning constraints should take care of them.

It is the smaller properties and buildings (not the large/valuable estates) that are most threatened > also by similar cuts in local government (where under local authroity control).

A kind of national de-accsessioning poses many serious ethical difficulties...However maintence/use of historic properties will always support employment (even if it is just experts to mothball it) >> remember, the debt is not real > money only has real value when in circulation.

A serious look at how money is being spent presently is needed, certainly before anything gets cut from it > otherwise any present imbalance (eg large vs small properties)will be made even more acute > this most certainly also applies to executive pay and corperate structure in EH!

[Jack]

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No cuts to ANti-TERror - no cuts to CGHQ and POLice 'domestic spies' - no cuts to rampant 'intervention' budgets - no plan to drop trident...(however probably more blue plaques and 'nationaly important works of art')

Though I agree with much of what you said, I'm glad of a continuing funding of anti-terrorism. You'd complain if the police (and others) regularly failed to stop terror plots and people were being killed, houses blown up etc. The country is far from perfect, but trust me, the UK is very good sneaky stuff, though the methods used are far from pleasant.

But come the day of world peace when all boundaries of race, religion, class and nationality are overthrown and greed and jealousy are a thing of the past I will be the first in line calling for the disbandment of the secret services and armed forces.

Well that is until my people arrive from across the galaxy and take over }

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A serious look at how money is being spent presently is needed, certainly before anything gets cut from it > otherwise any present imbalance (eg large vs small properties)will be made even more acute > this most certainly also applies to executive pay and corperate structure in EH!

I agree, there are many working for councils who are useless at their jobs and/or lazy feckwits who soak up our taxes. Sack them, promote those who actually do the work.

However, trident is the ultimate deterrent (don't believe the hype that it can never be used!). History has many lessons to teach about war, weapons, national stability etc etc.
A weapon that can be launched undetected from anywhere in the world is a terrifying prospect. It is right for your enemies to fear and respect your capabilities.

[Unitof1]

what ever happened to the Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England. or who are the The National Heritage Protection Service and then then whats the Commision. As far as I understand it from the Museum of London Act the Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England are supposed to fund the Greater London Archaeology service. That obviously does not mean that they must exist.

[Unitof1]

I have tried reading the National heritage Acts (2002, 1997,1983 and 1980). It would seem that it was never good enough and needed to be constantly and minutely adjusted to make it just so. So could it be taken that if its not in the heritage act then can "it" be done. So for instance the 2002 act seemed to get itself involved in amending the original 1980 section on power of Commission to form companies. Excitingly for me it witters on about exploiting intellectual rights and some obscure subject called copyright but I think we should leave that for later. What I am trying to get at its that the Act seems to say that the "commissioners" who ever that is may form companies.

My question is a charity a company?

Or rather if the heritage acts has gone to the tedious length of specifying what powers the "commissioners" can have to form "companies"and then also fannying around with parliamentary time (2002) rejigging the terms of that power to form "companies" maybe it should be asked what "companies" have the commissioners formed since 1980 and all those amendment's to the 1980 act.

5 Objects of companies formed by the Commission

Amend section 35 of the National Heritage Act 1983 (c. 47) (power of Commission to form companies) as follows.

(2)In subsection (2)—
(a)in paragraph (a) for “in England” substitute “ , or sale, ”;
(b)after paragraph (a) insert—
“(ab)the provision (whether on payment or otherwise) of advice, assistance or other services in respect of, or information relating to, ancient monuments or historic buildings,”;
©in paragraph (b)—
(i)the words “in England” are repealed, and
(ii)after “buildings” insert “ , or sale of souvenirs ”; and
(d)for paragraph © substitute—
“(ca)the exploitation of any intellectual property, or any other intangible asset, relating to ancient monuments or historic buildings, and”.
(3)After subsection (3) insert—
“(3A)In subsection (2), the references to “ancient monuments” and “historic buildings” are to those which—
(a)are situated—
(i)in England, or
(ii)in the case of monuments, in, on or under the seabed within the seaward limits of the United Kingdom territorial waters adjacent to England, or
(b)are foreign ancient monuments or foreign historic buildings within the meaning of section 33A(2)(b).
(3B)An order under section 33(10) applies for the purposes of subsection (3A) as it applies for the purposes of section 33(9).
(3C)In this section “intellectual property” means—
(a)any patent, trade mark, registered design, copyright, design right, right in performance or plant breeder’s right, and
(b)any rights under the law of a country outside the United Kingdom which correspond or are similar to those falling within paragraph (a).”

The appears to be another area of the act which says that they can give things away to existing institutions and some of it reads like they can give or lease to individuals. I have jet to find something that says call yourself a charity and try and dump your pension liability.

[GnomeKing]

Interesting tac to your research Uo1 ... good work (though i am at a loss as to what to conclude)

Are you suggesting a whiff of impropriety?

(i am ignoring J's laughable-if-it-were-not-true views on terroism, the military, and especially trident >>> ooh look how our enemies tremble !)

[Unitof1]

I am suggesting that power corrupts absolutely, although my own view based on family involvement with the Indian army is that trident should be privatised and that soldiers should only war for land and money.

[Dinosaur]

i am ignoring J's laughable-if-it-were-not-true views on terroism, the military, and especially trident >>> ooh look how our enemies tremble !)

If it ain't bust, don't try and fix it. Don't recall being shot, blown up etc, or even being threatened by same, so I'm quite happy to pay a few quid a week, agree with Jack. And I was brought up less than 2 miles from the No1 nuclear target, so would have been one of the first to know if it hadn't worked in the past

[alisdair]

However, trident is the ultimate deterrent (don't believe the hype that it can never be used!). History has many lessons to teach about war, weapons, national stability etc etc.
A weapon that can be launched undetected from anywhere in the world is a terrifying prospect. It is right for your enemies to fear and respect your capabilities.[/QUOTE

I have to say that in all the time I've been a follower of this forum, you Sir have just posted the most rediculous thing I have ever read. As an ex member of the Royal Navy with both a father and grandfather who served as submariners (personally my service was on 'targets' as submariners like to call the surface fleet, mmmmmm) my father served on the first nuclear powered sub the Dreadnaught back in the 60's, my Grandfather on the dieslal boats out of Malta during the second world wa rwho did a swap draft (the Navay allows such a change of posting or draft if it suits the individuals) on one occasion with a man who wanted his leave changed so he could get married and he never got back from patrol (sunk by an Italian Destroyer). Let me tell you now that your statement that 'A weapon can be launched from anywhere in the world' is utter drivel. The heat bloom from a nuclear sub is easily tracked the problem is getting a weapon acurate enough to destroy it at the depths that they operate at. Buy the way the only nation on earth that ever used the weapon to destroy cities full to the gunnels of civilans (not combatents) was the USA. they did so to curb Russia as they perceived a threat. Now tell me Big Man who do you think actually controls the requisit codes for the Navy subs to launch?