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Kevin's Christmas Challenge: Pick your Wage!!
#21
Dinosaur Wrote:who's also dead jammy at finding stuff (which in itself has probably added enough value to enough contracts to pay for all my wages ever)

I've got a friend who used to work for a medium-sized contracting unit who says that he had the impression that his managers considered finding stuff to be a bit of a nuisance. He said that when he got back to the office at the end of the day and listed off all the possible features he'd identified, he was often surprised that there was little enthusiasm. He put this down to the management having tendered on the basis that nothing much would be found, so every additional day or person he asked for on site was a potential loss of profit - suffice to say, he doesn't work for them any more!
You know Marcus. He once got lost in his own museum
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#22

  1. Graduate ?24-29k
  2. +5 years experience ?29-38k
  3. +10 years experience ?38-56k
  4. +20 years experience ?56-78k
Figures reflect existing business models operating in UKconstruction industry.
Represents general parity in salary across a range of professional services, inc archaeology, ecology, planners, engineers, etc.
Clients' enjoy:
independant accredited QA audit of all professional services;
comprehensive insurance provision;
wide choice of financially secure suppliers.
Potential to expand similar employment opportunities only limited by business models geared to underpricing and the imposition of barriers to entry, ie protectionism based on anti-competitive practices.
Rather than trust to Santa or the equally elusive IfA the profession just needs to get real, the solutions are already out there. But only if damaging vested interests are challenged not endorsed with a RO fig leaf.
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#23
Marcus Brody Wrote:I've got a friend who used to work for a medium-sized contracting unit who says that he had the impression that his managers considered finding stuff to be a bit of a nuisance. He said that when he got back to the office at the end of the day and listed off all the possible features he'd identified, he was often surprised that there was little enthusiasm. He put this down to the management having tendered on the basis that nothing much would be found, so every additional day or person he asked for on site was a potential loss of profit - suffice to say, he doesn't work for them any more!

Another reason I like where I work, we're encouraged to find stuff :face-approve:
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#24
ken_whittaker Wrote:
  1. Graduate ?24-29k
  2. +5 years experience ?29-38k
  3. +10 years experience ?38-56k
  4. +20 years experience ?56-78k
Figures reflect existing business models operating in UKconstruction industry.
Represents general parity in salary across a range of professional services, inc archaeology, ecology, planners, engineers, etc.
Clients' enjoy:
independant accredited QA audit of all professional services;
comprehensive insurance provision;
wide choice of financially secure suppliers.
Potential to expand similar employment opportunities only limited by business models geared to underpricing and the imposition of barriers to entry, ie protectionism based on anti-competitive practices.
Rather than trust to Santa or the equally elusive IfA the profession just needs to get real, the solutions are already out there. But only if damaging vested interests are challenged not endorsed with a RO fig leaf.

Thanks Ken..... I am very impressed by your suggestions for the higher experience levels.

See you at TAG perchance?
With peace and consolation hath dismist, And calm of mind all passion spent...
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#25
Kevin

No perchance about it, I look forward to catching up after ever such a long time.
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#26
cant believe this thread is dying already - must say something about self-worth
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers
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#27
P Prentice Wrote:cant believe this thread is dying already - must say something about self-worth


It did seem to go from maybe realistic to fairly unrealistic pretty quickly so that probably didn't help. 78k for 20+ years experience! On which planet is that? There must be architects who dream of earning that sort of money.

My only wish in the present circumstances is that everyone honestly kept up with BARJs and the new IfA minima. That would be a start. No more advertising a job as 37.5 hours a week only to then reveal that 4 hours travelling per day (for no extra) is the norm - admit it, how often does that happen? How about only 6 months or longer contracts? No more 'pools of 'self-employed' staff' ready to come and do a weeks work (or is that really a week and a half for one week's pay, once you add on all the travel)? How about decent amounts of consideration for training? Etc etc. Talking about salaries of 78K is pointless until these sorts of basics are fixed. I still don't think that pay amounts are as big an issue as conditions of work.
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#28
I have to admit that I was put off participating in this thread by the manager's mentality expressed by Dinosaur: everything is fine as it is and people should stop moaning about it.

I reckon David is probably about right with the salary levels, and Ken whittaker is fairly miles off. ?25-29K for entry level staff?

The problem is not co much the bottom as the middle, as this is going to be where most people spend most of their career.
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#29
there are indeed many who think that everybody should struggle as much as they did/do, as personified by dinosaur. nothing on this thread gets anywhere near countering such vested interest
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers
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#30
Oxbeast Wrote:I have to admit that I was put off participating in this thread by the manager's mentality expressed by Dinosaur: everything is fine as it is and people should stop moaning about it.

Careful, Dino has made it quite clear that he is incapable of having a manager's mentality.

Perhaps it should based on a discussion along the lines of 'You were lucky, we 'ad to get up before we went to bed, lick t'roads clean with our tongues and when we got home our fath'er would beat us to death and dance on our graves, and we'd be grateful'.
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