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Romans some questions - Mole - 6th March 2008

Down in Romanshire complete RB or Roman pots in non-burial features are reasonably common. Some (I can think of two recent sites off the top of my head) have been peirced at the base (post-firing)and have been described as 'dead' pots. Then groups of 3- 8 have been placed? in the bases of what were essentially field ditches. So comments about 'ritual' (I hate that term) killing of crockery may not be entirely fatuous.




Romans some questions - BAJR Host - 6th March 2008

or the contained early forms of geranium planting that so frightened the legions... forcing them to respond with lilia planting schemes in retaliation Wink

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu


Romans some questions - Unitof1 - 6th March 2008

I realise that this is only a possibly and really is fantasy but if I stick with the idea of an ambush and you were in the pit waiting to ambush you would probably keep the ammunition crockery behind you or possibly to your throwing hand side. So what this might be telling us is that the opposing forces were coming from the side that the crockery was on unless you were a foreword thrower and would require a swingers action.

What is interesting is that you found complete pot in the pie segment slot you cut. As well as it being sandy I bet you chose where to dig the pie segment slot. I like to call finding complete pots the Sites Complete Pot Index, SCPI, pronounced skippy, sometimes I call it the poisoned fish floating on the pond index, PFFOPI, but I use that for other things as well. Its an index which shows if the diggers can dig where they like. I have been on a few sites were people tell me where to dig and quite often it?s a slot in a ditch every ten metres and of cause they make you start at the baulk so that they can get a section with the top soil in and then you find that where the slots are supposed to go misses every bit of crockery showing on the surface and they get left or put in the unstrat bag and nobody finds anything in their slots. The index on these sites is zero. Now I am not saying that you will find a complete piece of crockery buried under a broken piece of crockery, unless its some squirrels type trick where people in the past hid complete pieces of crockery in old ditches and left pieces of broken crockery as markers, but I think its the best place to start and if you look at the slope of the sherd, dig on its lowest side but thats getting very safisticated. Also you have the problem when there is no crockery showing on the surface and then I like to go for the places which are darkest from carbonised organic remains although sometimes it could be charcoal, I call this the dark side. The other problem that I have had with following the dark side is that the supervisors don?t like it and they kick me off their sites.



Romans some questions - Dirty Dave Lincoln - 13th March 2008

Unitof1,i think you will find the turning of weapons (swords/spears) into ploughs is from one of the Psalms of the Old Testament or even from the Book of Revelation.
As for the pottery being broken from violent impact-any one who has been married and had the wife break a plate over their head or thrown at them would say its from domestic disputes!


Romans some questions - Unitof1 - 14th March 2008

So the turning of weapons (swords/spears) into ploughs was a bronze age metaphor for taxing the poor to not only subsidise war but also agriculture (a youfourmisum for landowning). This firmly places the origins of the pension grabbers in the bronze age with their yearly accounting systems, sick pay, bank holidays scams and other too good to be true offers and suggests that they are going to be a tough conniving bunch to defeat. Which reminds me that there are two weeks left to count up all the tax advantages that I could get, like fill up the isas, if I earnt a considerable lot more than I do but will lose at midnight on the 4th April for no good reason.




Romans some questions - Dirty Dave Lincoln - 14th March 2008

Sorry mate you missed the point;the Biblical reference of turning weapons of war into tools of peace means that,once God has created peace on earth there will be no more need for weapons-hence you might as well convert them into ploughs! The Psalm itself is probably one of prophesy and refers to "End of Times" events.


Romans some questions - Unitof1 - 14th March 2008

are you saying that taxes are not involved?


Romans some questions - Dirty Dave Lincoln - 14th March 2008

No-there are no taxes involved!nor cabs,rickasaws,trams,buses,trains or even sedan chairs!


Romans some questions - Unitof1 - 14th March 2008

How were all those swords and spears produced in the first place?(king to self- demand populous makes weapons=tax)- I have made mine mostly for charity or?this is a full on pension grabbing state and it discovered that there was a fortune to be made in agriculture these statements are merely PG (pension grabbers) Tips (king to self- demand populous turns tax free weapons into agricultural implements makeing it look like agri-cuddly farmers get something for nothing when realy I own all the land..+other complications which I cant explain at the mo as I have to go and watch some jazzzzzz ...watchout incoming crockery


Romans some questions - Dirty Dave Lincoln - 15th March 2008

You are presuming that the weapons are made and used locally by the same people,if they were as valuable then as they are now could trade have been involved-therefore transporting said objects far from their place of origin.Was the bronze smelted locally then traded elsewhere to be shaped into weapons?how much analysis has been done to determine where the ore was mined? i for one don't know.