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SCAUM Policy of Pay - BAJR Host - 4th June 2007
Please read this new document from SCAUM setting out its policy on minimum pay and conditions
http://www.bajr.org/Documents/SCAUMPayPolicy.pdf
Another step forward
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
SCAUM Policy of Pay - drpeterwardle - 4th June 2007
I have to say the membership of SCAUM have not even been notified of this - and there has been no consultation.
Peter Wardle
SCAUM Policy of Pay - vulpes - 5th June 2007
Can't see anything that radical or controversial in this single page document. But it does say in the first line or two that they did consult both Prospect and their membership. Do you disagree with their stated postion or just the alleged lack of consultation. Maybe they just consulted Unit Managers who they claim to represent?
SCAUM Policy of Pay - trowelhead - 5th June 2007
14 grand! Stone me. No wonder theres so many assitant jobs on the site. Its an utter insult and disgrace for a qualified proffesional and all concerned should be absolutly ashamed of themselves. The average graduate wage is 19 grand. With having to pay back tuition fees back etc you got nowt.
Close enough for a country job!
SCAUM Policy of Pay - David Jennings - 5th June 2007
Responding to comments: Peter perhaps there's a problem with our contact details for you. The policy was discussed at our AGM in December and there was a consultation exercise in January, to which a number of the members responded (all of them broadly in support of the policy). I also personally sent all members notification of the policy yesterday at 2.40 pm (again to the email address that we have for you), prior to asking BAJR and the CBA whether they would also place the new statement on their websites (at 2.49 pm). If you could confirm your contact details I will ensure that all future notifications are sent to you.
Picking up on trowelheadâs comments - no one believes that 14K is a great position, but everyone in the archaeological sector (and that includes managers) find themselves part of a far wider environment and therefore do not have total control of all aspects that might affect their organisation. This is particularly the case with regard to the market place (by definition) and related costs, of which the most significant in any archaeological organisation are staff costs. I realise that there is a well rehearsed debate about these issues (often played out with vigour on this forum!), but would ask that you consider that SCAUM is making this statement very much as an exploratory position. We absolutely recognise that the situation has to improve - and as such we thought it most significant that we take a stance on the matter. However, SCAUM can not negotiate on behalf of employers; it does not have that mandate, but in making a policy statement on pay we hope to focus attention on it. At the end of the day, we can only make progress in these areas through institutional dialogue and wider fora, not through solitary efforts.
David Jennings
SCAUM Chair
SCAUM Policy of Pay - drpeterwardle - 5th June 2007
Welcome to David Jennings as a BAJR member who I owe an apology to - there was a brief consultation by SCAUM.
I am against collective bargaining in archaeology but if we are to have it then the people who should be doing it are SCAUM and an organisation representing the work force. If its not in SCAUM's constitution to undertake collective bargaining then lets change SCAUMs constitution. As things stand organisations like BAJR and the IFA are dictating pay rates in archaeology and employees have in effect unilateral pay bargaining.
What I have been saying for months now is there must be precision in what is being said so what is an archaeological salary for example?
Is somebody doing documentary research, a historian, covered by this or a surveyor or a CAD technician? What about students during vacations. (What are precisely statutory holidays?)
I think the starting point for SCAUM should be do we accept/reject the IFA and/or BAJR guidelines. As things stand the SCAUM statement is saying that SCAUM rejects the IFA payscales which have a minimum of £14,600 if they are compared on a like with like basis, as the SCAUM rate does not include a pension contribution.
Peter Wardle
SCAUM Policy of Pay - BAJR Host - 5th June 2007
Welcome indeed Dave... you are showing that talking and dialogue is the start... perhaps not what we expect.. and refreshing.
The precision is coming.. and Peter is quite right about BAJR dictating Pay... (though of course you don't have to advertise if you don't want to!) --- I do look forward to when this is not the case... and I truely believe it is coming... where BAJR fits into helping is up for debate.. but the good thing is that it is happening.. with SCAUM becoming a real voice for employers and the potential for PROSPECT to become the voice of employees then we do seem to becoming a grown up profession...
That leaves the IFA to get on with its duties and me to get on with promoting, informing and being the next best thing to a digital sitheut/coffee room to share opinions... from Director to Digger
Welcome
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
SCAUM Policy of Pay - drpeterwardle - 5th June 2007
As I said there is a need for precision in these matters and for dialogue.
To be picky David Jenning said.
"The policy was discussed at our AGM".
Technically David is incorrect it was not discussed at the AGM and I don't recollect it being an aggenda item. Pay and conditions was discussed at the committee meeting afterwards according to the SCAUM website.
In many ways this does not matter. What does matter is that SCAUM is doing something about pay and conditions. What would be useful if there was a list of employers who endorse the SCAUM statement and the statement published on the SCAUM website.
Indeed David BAJR could you post on the BAJR website a set of the three pay standards we now have in archaeology as a reference guide.
Peter Wardle
SCAUM Policy of Pay - BAJR Host - 6th June 2007
http://www.bajr.org/documents/payconditions%202007_2008.pdf -- BAJR Guidance
http://www.bajr.org/Documents/SCAUMPayPolicy.pdf ---------- SCAUM Policy
Sadly the IFA don't have any payscale minima yet.. but there is this
Quote:quote:Advertisers are reminded of IFA recommended minimum starting salaries from 1 April 2006
PIFA responsibilities £13,856
AIFA responsibilities £16,139
MIFA responsibilities £20,898
The minimum salary recommendations are based on the local government pay scales.
and this
http://www.archaeologists.net/modules/icontent/inPages/docs/join/RAO_guidance_notes.pdf
and of course the Diggers Forum
http://www.archaeologists.net/modules/icontent/inPages/docs/groups/Mission%20Statement%202007%20No.2.pdf
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
SCAUM Policy of Pay - drpeterwardle - 6th June 2007
I am confused.
http://www.archaeologists.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=45
says;
"For the registration year 2006-7 onwards, Registered Archaeological Organisations must abide by the IFAâs present recommended minimum salaries."
http://www.bajr.org/BAJRForum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=997&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=pay
says
"IFA Registered Organisation must comply with these recommendations, and the amendment to principle 5 of the Code of conduct, which was agreed at the October AGM, also now expects all IFA members to give reasonable consideration to any IFA recommended pay minima and conditions of employment."
The document David quotes
http://www.archaeologists.net/modules/icontent/inPages/docs/join/RAO_guidance_notes.pdf
does not clearly say that the pay minima are complusory.
So Yes or NO are the IFA "recommended minimums" just that or are they complusory.
As I keep on saying clarity and precision are needed as these thing effect peoples contrats and terms of employment and if RAOs are abiding by the IFA codes of conduct. All legal matters
Peter Wardle
(I dont want to start a debate about this when we shold be discussing the SCAUM declaration).