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Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Dinosaur - 25th November 2014
P Prentice Wrote:an environmental determinist might well point to the recorded plague epidemics and volcanoe eruptions as a reason for low populations but does this explain the absence of pot - i think not.
tree taboos mark? look to the scandinavian sagas and tell me this is so.
and it is in the roman west (of central spine) where pots are absent even in the furnished grave heartlands
Plenty of pots in Late Roman and Anglian burials around here, think you may just be unlucky :face-crying:
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Marc Berger - 25th November 2014
Dino I never said the romans did all the deforestation but they buggered it all the way along their roadways. Sometimes I even wonder if some of the village that first come "back" near the roman ways had to be about a mile or so from them because they couldnet be bothered to get the wood any closer to build.
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - P Prentice - 25th November 2014
Marc Berger Wrote:so prentice are you saying that there is a period of how long after the romans when there is no pot over most of Germany and Britain? What cause say thee. (ps absence from graves is not evidence of absence)i'm saying that for a large part of uk, even where they had pot in the 5th and early 6th, they had none in the 7th and 8th and 9th. dino lives in the eastern zone which alike europe was still making pots. the pots never crossed the invisible divide to western britain, the divide being somewhere down the pennines going south
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - P Prentice - 25th November 2014
Dinosaur Wrote:Plenty of pots in Late Roman and Anglian burials around here, think you may just be unlucky :face-crying:plenty of roman pots in sfb's along with saxon pot and saxon pots in graves but nothing later for hundreds of years in the west
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Marc Berger - 25th November 2014
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/collections/archaeology/arf/vol2/research_agendas/chp4_early_medieval.pdf
Quote:Pottery is almost nonexistent, although handmade ceramics have been recognised as being made at Fremington ©, which, if found without any other evidence, would almost certainly be identified as of Bronze Age date. This clearly has potential repercussions for existing material in museum collections and other archives, which
need to be examined as a matter of urgency.
could the answer be slavery for this area? as in Ireland maybe the souterrain cultures and these are really bronze age peoples
http://www.emap.ie/documents/EMAP_Report_7_2013_The_Economy_of_Early_Medieval_Ireland.pdf
easy meat for the Hebridean Viking missionaries from Italy.
Pity I cant find a way to up load a picture to this site as last week I found some course wares with an inverted rim which I have not noticed before, I hope its mid saxon...
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Marc Berger - 25th November 2014
odd question prentice -if you do find any pot in this non pot period place what rim diameter are we talking about? I am trying to imagine if pots could have gone communal (marxist) or selfish- small family (ukip).
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - P Prentice - 26th November 2014
no pot at all and slight coincidence with region of low density ia pot.
i tend to think it shows a return to pre-roman mobility, herding with wooden pots, transient settlement and slow reproduction
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Dinosaur - 26th November 2014
Now there's a research topic, the effects of pottery-use on human fertility....or were they just too knackered from all the walking?
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - Jack - 26th November 2014
Ah! The old upland/lowland, Humber to Esk - line conundrum I presume?
One of my favourites.
Several skewing factors apply to distributions over this line.
Which also may apply to your east-west split.
For starters, something like 90% of archaeological excavations occurred due to PPG16. The distribution of this massive amount of work was/is dictated by the distribution of development, which is heavily biased towards the south and east.
Look at poor old Cumbria, there are vast swathies of upland that have hardly ever been dug.
Not to mention differing processes of preservation/destruction of archaeological remains.
Why does pottery become scarce during the Saxon/Anglian period... - P Prentice - 27th November 2014
Jack Wrote:Ah! The old upland/lowland, Humber to Esk - line conundrum I presume?
One of my favourites.
Several skewing factors apply to distributions over this line.
Which also may apply to your east-west split.
For starters, something like 90% of archaeological excavations occurred due to PPG16. The distribution of this massive amount of work was/is dictated by the distribution of development, which is heavily biased towards the south and east.
Look at poor old Cumbria, there are vast swathies of upland that have hardly ever been dug.
Not to mention differing processes of preservation/destruction of archaeological remains.
Nope its based on a trawl of all grey lit reps across england which takes account of the background noise of interventions. draw a line from the humber estuary to somerset and miss out south of london!
you are 20 years out of date methinks