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Nationally owned heritage - kevin wooldridge - 20th February 2007
Quote:quote:Originally posted by vulpes But seriously, it would be at least 2010 before anything makes it onto the statute books
Don't despair Vulpes, you'll still be a relatively young fox[8D]
Nationally owned heritage - vulpes - 20th February 2007
I know!!
Nationally owned heritage - troll - 21st February 2007
Thanks folks.How do you all stand on public consultation and accountability in the context of commercial archaeology then?:face-huh:
..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad)
Nationally owned heritage - 1man1desk - 22nd February 2007
Generally speaking, and in relation to all environmental issues rather than just archaeology, I am in favour of more public consultation than is common in the UK. However, I think that the amount of consultation that is currently available is currently under-appreciated.
All planning applications are publicised (in a pretty weedy way) by the local authority concerned, and members of the public are entitled to see the relevant documents and comment or object. In my experience, it is rare for a large scheme or one that would bave big environmental effects to go by without some feedback actually being received from the public.
The largest schemes, including most public infrastructure, go through EIA. This increasingly often involves much more extensive and effective public consultation than your run-of-the-mill planning application. I have taken part in large-scale consultation events involving maildrops to 10s of 1000s of people and exhibitions visited by 1000s, very heavily staffed so that all those who want to ask questions can do so, with questionnaires to obtain feedback. The UK regulations on EIA have recently been tightened following a new EU Directive to ensure that public consultation can genuinely influence decision making.
My experience is that people sometimes do object to a proposal on archaeological grounds, but every such objection that I have encountered has been produced by someone whose real objection is something else completely; they are simply using the archaeology as a back-up. Quite often, the alternatives they propose would have worse archaeological effects.
There have been other cases where much stronger archaeological objections would have been possible - but, strangely, no one has objected on those grounds (this includes one scheme where there was a strong local opposition group, who sought all possible objections and took them to a Public Inquiry at which I gave evidence - but they did not question the archaeological issues).
On public accountability, that largely goes through the public authorities that give permission for developments (usually local councils, sometimes government departments). I personally think that the British political system means that public accountability for individual planning decisions through that route is too weak - but designing a better system is a very difficult thing to do!
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Nationally owned heritage - Unitof1 - 23rd February 2007
Local referendums
Putting juries on public inquires
Getting the secretary of state to sign âconsentsâ and not some delegated pension grabber
Nationally owned heritage - garybrun - 23rd February 2007
As a metal detectorists here in Norway i know quite a bit about the rules. :-)
If I find something of archaeological importance (that I think to be) there is an automatic exclusion zone of 5 metres (that's what I was told) and the area becomes protected.
I have a couple of rare finds in the Norwegian National Museum. There was no monetary reward.. but a very nice photograph and a certificate/letter of appreciation along with a well detailed description. (the detectorists in the UK don't know how lucky they are) and free entry for life :-)
The sad thing about the Norwegian system is that farmers are not very forth coming with their archaeological finds because they have to pay for the excavations and other things on their land. I have a large article on this somewhere and could translate and post it up if others are interested. Archaeological authorities have a lot of power in Norway. I personally believe this is a good thing.
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk
Recording OUR heritage for future generations.
Nationally owned heritage - 1man1desk - 23rd February 2007
I have a distant cousin who is a farmer in Norway. Many years ago, before I was an archaeologist, he found waterlogged wooden building foundations in a part of his land that has not been settled for at least several hundred years.
His reaction, in fear of the archaeological authorities, was to destroy the site immediately. I'm not surprised, if he could be forced to pay for an archaeological excavation.
There was no intention to develop the land affected, which is still a field to this day (around 30 years later).
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