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distinctive regional traditions - P Prentice - 27th June 2012
mine (hundreds over 30 years digging them) are mostly variably rich (or not) in material such as pot and flint with sometimes just enough charred stuff to suggest derivation from a midden/habitue - but never 'placed' .
charred fills are dumped by and large but sterile fills can be silted
i am interested in defining any groups that are silted as it would imply they were open for a while t set against those that were deliberately filled
distinctive regional traditions - Unitof1 - 27th June 2012
Your silt interest seems to indicate that you want to have a dilliberat backfill by definition of a non dilberate backfill by the observation of something called silting. A amoungst many concerns is that this dilberate -non deliberate fill is used to suggest the deliberateness of the digging of the pit in the first. In as much that defining groups that are silted as it would imply they were open for a while set against those that were deliberately filled what significance is supposed to be infered? Personaly having watched a lot of the placists dribbling over claims that they have found several objects in something that they call a context and particularly resting on the base I am minded that silt is the fodder of the grub and nightcrawler and as Darwin pointed some of them are capable of moving 5mm a year upwards who knows how much sideways. But I distract my self because what I am intreged by is that you seem to be trying to group pits by their fill and maybe the pit is a cut and possibly its shape and what it was cut into and where the pit is are actually the "only" attributs that should be allowed to characterise and group pits where as what you are after is something to group and characteris fills
distinctive regional traditions - P Prentice - 28th June 2012
nope - just want to know if any neo pits took a long time to silt up
distinctive regional traditions - Jack - 28th June 2012
P Prentice Wrote:nope - just want to know if any neo pits took a long time to silt up
Me too. But finding it difficult to be sure whether some of the features have been back-filled quickly (no matter what Julian Thomas claims in 'understanding the Neolithic') or filled up over time.
Some seem to fall into one of these categories, but ended up with a load that could be either or a mixture of the two.
distinctive regional traditions - Dinosaur - 28th June 2012
Without digging out loads of dusty sheets of pervitrace sections, my impression is that the early ones are more often (but not always) single dumps of soily stuff into 'freshly dug' pits (ie no obvious primary silting) whereas the later ones are much more varied both in silting and fill sequences, finds etc (might even grudgingly go for occasional 'placed' objects, although half the ones in the literature are farcical, it's a bit of a polished axe therefore it must be a structured deposit, presumably these are the same people who call 2 rocks a building....). Sadly at some point I'm going to have to go into all this for one site, but luckily not this year, phew! Am taking notes though :face-approve:
distinctive regional traditions - P Prentice - 28th June 2012
bugger - nothing new then
distinctive regional traditions - CARTOON REALITY - 28th June 2012
If you're looking for something new you're in the wrong trade . . .
distinctive regional traditions - P Prentice - 28th June 2012
i wont get bogged down in that either
distinctive regional traditions - CARTOON REALITY - 28th June 2012
That's the attitude, you're an absolute rock.
distinctive regional traditions - vulpes - 28th June 2012
habitue \huh-BICH-oo-ay; huh-bich-oo-AY\ , noun:
One who habitually frequents a place.
e.g.
Here you will meet Disco Bean . . . , a 70s dance-club habitue who spends his days in an empty warehouse polishing his Latin hustle moves and pretending it's still 1978 and he's the next John Travolta.
-- Stephen Holden, "The Search for One-Eye Jimmy", New York Times, June 21, 1996
Or as one jaded habitue of El Casbah observes when an unfamiliar face appears in the club: "She's new to cafe society."
-- Stephen Holden, "Cafe Society", New York Times, July 18, 1997
Fascinating.... :face-thinks: Not sure what it's got to do with the Neolithic though - are we talking flesh-pits here?