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Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - GPStone - 14th June 2011

Madweasels Wrote:From EH statements section

"Broadgate Square is an exemplar of commercial place making. Here, 'people places' and office buildings harmoniously coexist - the result of developer and architect working successfully together. Rare for commercial developments, people enjoy Broadgate Square - in this sense, it is a triumph of urbanism, a special place in the financial heart of the capital."

City 1, Docklands 0

Canary Wharf next then - and they will be able to use the same paragraph - just replace Broadgate with Canary Wharf - in the other financial heart of the capital.

Quite! So, what is the justification for listing Broadgate Square over any of the other locations in cities around the country (London included) which fulfil the same criteria?

EH's decision looks as if they are just taking the opportunity to show they can flex some muscle in a high profile situation, and possibly pick a fight it might be against their longer term interests to engage in. On a general level (and I know this isn't how EH administer their criteria, but....) I can't see how it is in the local, regional or national interest to list and protect this development over taking any other course of action.


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Unitof1 - 14th June 2011

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Broadgate Square is an exemplar of commercial place making. Here, 'people places' and office buildings harmoniously coexist - the result of developer and architect working successfully together. Rare for commercial developments, people enjoy Broadgate Square - in this sense, it is a triumph of urbanism, a special place in the financial heart of the capital."

would be interesting to pin this garbage down to its sole author and then look at their motives. Any ideas as to who gots the certificate job?


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Winders - 15th June 2011

http://www.c20society.org.uk/casework/press/release/broadgate-demolition-threat.html

It's basically the material form of 1980s city boy excess....


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Unitof1 - 15th June 2011

Quote:[SIZE=3]English Heritage is expected to make [SIZE=5]its recommendation to John Penrose, the heritage minister, at the beginning of June.[/SIZE]
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This is always the way with virtual identities instead of mrs twitface of eh , wife of some government appointed committee member, is expected to make her recommendation to John Penrose, we get this neutral possessive pronoun "its" recommendation.. Not sure if ?its? is a real word, bit like eh. Not sure how many people claim a pension off the tax payers at eh (2043), but this is the type of virtual identity they are

Quote:[SIZE=3]HBMCE enjoys the status of a charity for taxation purposes. No taxation liability is expected on its operations for the year ended 31 March 2010 (2009: nil). English Heritage Trading Limited transferred all its profits for the year ended 31 March 2010 to HBMCE under the Gift Aid rules (loophole). Hence, it suffered no taxation charge as it had no taxable profits.

This year was very successful commercially for English Heritage, with the increase in visitors to our staffed sites being reflected in our best ever year for earned income; we generated ?48.6 million primarily from membership, admissions to our sites and retail and catering, a 13% increase on 2008/09. Our total income grew by ?6.3 million from the previous year, taking the figure up to ?54.4 million.

In 2009/10 we completed a major programme of relocating posts out of central London with the closure of the office in Blandford Street. Since 2006 the number of posts in London has reduced by approximately 230 (over 40%) and we have reduced our London office space by over 60%, saving ?3.2 million in office accommodation costs.
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maybe the 60% of staff left in London (345) see office space in London as a diminishing heritage asset but will they ever get into the more money than the prime minister positions like these curators [ATTACH=CONFIG]902[/ATTACH] Do all of the staff at eh think that the site should be listed. How are they kept quiet?


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Unitof1 - 15th June 2011

Sith have tried and failed to find the NMR site for COIs…

Do eh charge to undertake a coi investigation, seems to me that there is miles of fun to be had with this concept. Should I advise all my little old ladies that before they put a planning application in for an extension on their 1980s bungalows that we should first seek a coi, god there must be a predetermination stages /post determination, I feel a big hard guidance coming on. This is serious. I virtually have a little old lady here right now, I am pretty sure that when eh finds out about her rectangular velox window it’s a "dead cert". I see it now

Quote:[SIZE=3]Little old ladies is an exemplar of retired place making. Here, 'people places' and other 'people places' harmoniously coexist - the result of developer and architect working successfully together. Rare for 'people places', people enjoy Little old ladies - in this sense, it is a triumph of urbanism, a special place in the heart of the nation
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Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - ShadowJack - 15th June 2011

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would be interesting to pin this garbage down to its sole author and then look at their motives.

...could equally be used for most of your posts }Smile


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Unitof1 - 15th June 2011

my motives - eh, virtual reality that it is, should not be a property owner or if its it should not have any control over other peoples property development


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Madweasels - 15th June 2011

Jeremy Hunt has turned down Broadgate for listing. Since May 2010, Developers 346 or more: Heritage 0.


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Unitof1 - 15th June 2011

Since May 2010, Developers 346 or more: Heritage 0. explain?


Listing Broadgate.. unthinking bureaucracy or what? - Madweasels - 15th June 2011

Just a cynical aside, Unit. Seems as if any progress made with Planners and Developers over the last 15 years is back on the table for renegotiation - with the planners/developers holding most of the best cards.