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site tech role - moreno - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:I think maybe there should be a basic competence which perhaps could be 'signed off' by a responsible adult, but thereafter many of the criteria will be based upon experience and aptitude and probably at the end of the day would be self-assessed, which of course lays the scheme open to probably unfair criticism. I can see how the system would work if someone was in regular employment, but am not sure how it would work if someone mixed irregular employment with self-employment and/or career breaks for various reasons.
In many ways the Skills Passport would duplicate the IFA levels of competence (where the basic level would equate to PIFA and higher levels to AIFA and MIFA). I am guessing that anyone who had applied to and received peer recognition for their skills level through IFA membership would automatically gain a 'fully operative' Skills Passport.....otherwise it seems unlikely that the IFA would support the scheme...and then once again the scheme would be open to the criticism currently levelled at some IFA members (i.e they only attained their grading through colleagues, friends and relatives).... So to that extent it is a conundrum wrapped in a riddle etc etc
I don’t think this would be completely the case. I don’t see IFA grades as levels of competence per se. I would agree with competence in meeting certain criteria, but to reiterate a “red” herring along with the subsequent comments on the matter. As for the IFA grades being peer reviewed, I struggle with this assertion. Hypothetically-A MIFA level curator with little or no field experience a peer?
A transparent selection of a pool of individuals representative of the professional spectrum might garner support.
site tech role - BAJR - 15th June 2011
As P says it need to be that people know what they can do, and others need to know they can :face-approve:
site tech role - moreno - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:I think maybe there should be a basic competence which perhaps could be 'signed off' by a responsible adult, but thereafter many of the criteria will be based upon experience and aptitude and probably at the end of the day would be self-assessed, which of course lays the scheme open to probably unfair criticism. I can see how the system would work if someone was in regular employment, but am not sure how it would work if someone mixed irregular employment with self-employment and/or career breaks for various reasons.
In many ways the Skills Passport would duplicate the IFA levels of competence (where the basic level would equate to PIFA and higher levels to AIFA and MIFA). I am guessing that anyone who had applied to and received peer recognition for their skills level through IFA membership would automatically gain a 'fully operative' Skills Passport.....otherwise it seems unlikely that the IFA would support the scheme...and then once again the scheme would be open to the criticism currently levelled at some IFA members (i.e they only attained their grading through colleagues, friends and relatives).... So to that extent it is a conundrum wrapped in a riddle etc etc
I don’t think this would be completely the case. I don’t see IFA grades as levels of competence per se. I would agree with competence in meeting certain criteria, but to reiterate a “red” herring along with the subsequent comments on the matter. As for the IFA grades being peer reviewed, I struggle with this assertion. Hypothetically-A MIFA level curator with little or no field experience a peer?
A transparent selection of a pool of individuals representative of the professional spectrum might garner support.
site tech role - Dinosaur - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:How would the skills passport validation scheme work for the self-employed?
If they're working self-employed for a bigger unit, should be treated exactly the same. If working as a one-man-band and not fully competent they shouldn't be! Am sure Unit would sail through :face-approve:
site tech role - moreno - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:I think maybe there should be a basic competence which perhaps could be 'signed off' by a responsible adult, but thereafter many of the criteria will be based upon experience and aptitude and probably at the end of the day would be self-assessed, which of course lays the scheme open to probably unfair criticism. I can see how the system would work if someone was in regular employment, but am not sure how it would work if someone mixed irregular employment with self-employment and/or career breaks for various reasons.
In many ways the Skills Passport would duplicate the IFA levels of competence (where the basic level would equate to PIFA and higher levels to AIFA and MIFA). I am guessing that anyone who had applied to and received peer recognition for their skills level through IFA membership would automatically gain a 'fully operative' Skills Passport.....otherwise it seems unlikely that the IFA would support the scheme...and then once again the scheme would be open to the criticism currently levelled at some IFA members (i.e they only attained their grading through colleagues, friends and relatives).... So to that extent it is a conundrum wrapped in a riddle etc etc
I don’t think this would be completely the case. I don’t see IFA grades as levels of competence per se. I would agree with competence in meeting certain criteria, but to reiterate a “red” herring along with the subsequent comments on the matter. As for the IFA grades being peer reviewed, I struggle with this assertion. Hypothetically-A MIFA level curator with little or no field experience a peer?
A transparent selection of a pool of individuals, representative of the professional spectrum might garner support.
site tech role - moreno - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:In many ways the Skills Passport would duplicate the IFA levels of competence (where the basic level would equate to PIFA and higher levels to AIFA and MIFA). I am guessing that anyone who had applied to and received peer recognition for their skills level through IFA membership would automatically gain a 'fully operative' Skills Passport.....otherwise it seems unlikely that the IFA would support the scheme...and then once again the scheme would be open to the criticism currently levelled at some IFA members (i.e they only attained their grading through colleagues, friends and relatives).... So to that extent it is a conundrum wrapped in a riddle etc etc
I don?t think this would be completely the case. I don?t see IFA grades as levels of competence per se. I would agree with competence in meeting certain criteria, but to reiterate a ?red? herring along with the subsequent comments on the matter. As for the IFA grades being peer reviewed, I struggle with this assertion. Hypothetically-A MIFA level curator with little or no field experience a peer?
A transparent selection of a pool of individuals, representative of the professional spectrum might garner support.
site tech role - moreno - 15th June 2011
BAJR Wrote:Ah.... the skills passport is more like a stepping stone to IfA membership as well as a handy dandy document that validates skills. (like CPD ish)
PIFA AIFA and MIFA are (in my opinion) a red herring with Project Managers being AIFAs and some field workers as MiFA I even know a Curator who is a PIFA.
Given that an illustrator can be a MIfA but could not run a site it is all confused.
Preferably the skills passport should stand on its own merit as a validation of skills, not a recruitment drive for IFA membership. If this was the case, why bother? Simply join the IFA.
site tech role - Dinosaur - 15th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:In many ways the Skills Passport would duplicate the IFA levels of competence (where the basic level would equate to PIFA and higher levels to AIFA and MIFA). I am guessing that anyone who had applied to and received peer recognition for their skills level through IFA membership would automatically gain a 'fully operative' Skills Passport.....otherwise it seems unlikely that the IFA would support the scheme...and then once again the scheme would be open to the criticism currently levelled at some IFA members (i.e they only attained their grading through colleagues, friends and relatives).... So to that extent it is a conundrum wrapped in a riddle etc etc....
Errrr, thought the skills passport was meant to be a realistic guide to someone's aptitude/ability/experience for practical skills? - I've had the pleasure of watching a MIFA site director demonstrating that he had absolutely no idea how to half-section a small posthile filled with black soil and cut into light yellow sand...at least he had the trowel the right way round I suppose...that was back in the days when it was the Institute of FIELD Archaeologists...what the h*** does an IFA grade tell you about someone's site skills? Needs to be totally independant or it'll just get the same flack from the likes of myself, I'm afraid
site tech role - kevin wooldridge - 15th June 2011
Fortunately one doesn't need a mastery of Bayesian probability to predict the likelihood of Uo1 posting their usual mixture of cant and rant.....
site tech role - Dinosaur - 15th June 2011
BAJRs old server seems to keep eating my posts (will deal with Mr Prentice's post when its working again, sure you can wait), so roll on the new one - will have a last attempt!
Since when did any level of IFA membership demonstrate any site skills? Have had the pleasure a while back of watching a MIFA site director demonstrating a total inability to half-section na small black-filled posthole dug in light yellow sand, although to be fair he had the trowel the right way round....the skills passport should be either entirely seperate or a feeder to IFA membership, not the other way round