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when is a Trust not a Trust? - drpeterwardle - 16th February 2009
David you took the words right out of my key board.
I am all in favour of the advancement of heritage but I fail to see how the vast majority of PPG 16 work like evaluations and watching briefs do actually advance heritage.
Many of the archaeological charities do a very good job in terms of advancement of heritage but is the same true of all of them?
Peter
when is a Trust not a Trust? - voice of reason - 16th February 2009
simply by adding to the sum of human knowledge about the past is the answer (as far as the CC thinks), Dr P.
There is a very rigourous procedure for compliance with charity law by large charities (just visit the Charity Commission website and look at the documents which have to be submitted). these are supplemented by visits and inspections.
David - wasn't knocking your thread but trying to stop this degenerating into another thread altogether by replying to Monty's comment. I hope you have your answer.
when is a Trust not a Trust? - monty - 16th February 2009
In reply to VOR...........I wasnt 'trying to degenerate this into another thread' ..... a valid comment on the original post was made......when is a trust not a trust !!
when is a Trust not a Trust? - RedEarth - 17th February 2009
Quote:quote:Originally posted by voice of reason
Not another knee-jerk 'archaeological charities aren't really charities' bash - this was dealt with ad nauseam in a previous thread - the practice of archaeology is considered a charitable aim per se by the Charity Commission (sse item f below) - the misconception that you have to 'do education' is plain wrong. Surplus (not profit, as charities are not-for-profit) is considered perfectly acceptable and indeed necessary to the operation of a charity.
The Charities Act sets out the following descriptions of charitable purposes:
a) the prevention or relief of poverty;
b) the advancement of education;
c) the advancement of religion;
d) the advancement of health or the saving of lives;
e) the advancement of citizenship or community development;
f) the advancement of the arts, culture, heritage or science;
g) the advancement of amateur sport;
h) the advancement of human rights, conflict resolution or reconciliation or the promotion of religious or racial harmony or equality and diversity;
i) the advancement of environmental protection or improvement;
j) the relief of those in need, by reason of youth, age, ill-health, disability, financial hardship or other disadvantage;
k) the advancement of animal welfare;
l) the promotion of the efficiency of the armed forces of the Crown, or of the efficiency of the police, fire and rescue services or ambulance services;
m) other purposes currently recognised as charitable and any new charitable purposes which are similar to another charitable purpose.
I'm not sure a knee-jerk reaction against a potential knee-jerk reaction is particularly constructive either though. We'd all just be doing the Can-Can or Hokey-Cokey then!
One thing I'd like to ask though - if archaeological work carried out in advance of development as a result of PPG15 and PPG16 is acceptable as 'adding to the sum of human knowledge about the past' are there charities/trusts doing environmental impact assessments and bat surveys in similar circumstances? Surely it would fall under 'i) the advancement of environmental protection or improvement'.
when is a Trust not a Trust? - voice of reason - 17th February 2009
how's about this as an example
http://www.wiltshirewildlife.org/expertise/PageTemplate.aspx
when is a Trust not a Trust? - BAJR Host - 17th February 2009
thanks all. it seems that if you set yourself up as a trust, you are bound by certain requirements.. so without abiding by them, you can't just call yourself a trust. most trusts I kow of place education at the heart of their remit... york for one is in my opinion an exampler.... trust confers legal requirements... I think I am right that no matter what sort of trust you are you must register as such. and prove how you will achieve these goals
?When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.?
William Blake
when is a Trust not a Trust? - RedEarth - 17th February 2009
Quote:quote:Originally posted by voice of reason
how's about this as an example
http://www.wiltshirewildlife.org/expertise/PageTemplate.aspx
VoR - I am begininng to think you must be God, as you are always right. I must try harder.
when is a Trust not a Trust? - BAJR Host - 19th February 2009
bless vor
?When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.?
William Blake
when is a Trust not a Trust? - muddyandcold - 3rd May 2009
very interesting..... :face-huh: Here's another one... when is a .org not a .org [?] I always thought .org was a non for profit organisation ... should then there accounts be published somewhere [?]
when is a Trust not a Trust? - matthew.law - 3rd May 2009
Hello muddy
There are no rules about who can use .org or .org.uk. I have a .org, and so does Hosty!
Matt