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Dinosaur Wrote:Funny that the IR always seem to have been quite happy with how that 'Unit in the North' operated...sadly all the fun you guys get from sprouting pages of drivel on here periodically will now have to be aimed elsewhere since they seem having a bad attack of employing people instead :face-crying:

Actually the ?65 was ok once you added in the free accom (usually top-rate), mileage, travel etc....worked out a lot better than being 'employed' at a lot of other units



Free accommodation for self-employed contractors, eh. That must be an interesting one to explain to the tax man. No guesses who you work for then. Lets face it ?65 per day is shameful, adding on mileage (something the contractor would have paid for themselves already) is not a wage increase! 'Unit in the North' - there must be a handy three letter abbreviation we can all use instead, nothing springs to mind though... No wonder we are in the state we are.
You're like a stuck record!

All this s**ts been hashed over plenty of times on here before - and yet the workforce still seem to like turning up...

Cant remember the details of how the accom thing worked, Jack's your man for that when he gets around to posting again and I wouldn't want to get any bits wrong, but I'm afraid the whole setup has been deemed to be entirely legal so you're wasting your time wingeing about it. Anyway its not currently relevent since the current crew are PAYEed.

Err, have worked for 15 other outfits in the last 20 years interspersed amongst spells with my current employer, and I'm afraid I've never recieved the same level of remuneration elsewhere as I've been getting at similar points in time here, that'll be why I've kept coming back!

There's no secret who I work for, anyone posting on here a couple of years ago is fully aware I only started posting to respond to some of the more fantastical statements and generally somewhat innaccurate statements being made about the 'UiN' (which, by the way, even BAJR once commented on here sounded like a good place to work!) - but I'm sure we're all friends now :face-approve:
And as friends we must remain...

moving along...

The IfA council meeting is coming up Thursday... there is going to be a battle..

If people have any compelling and backed up with evidence arguments reason why no change is bad... then please step up.

One thing I do note over time... BAJR steps up to the mark... most people take one step back... ( if you answer this, then you are not among that number.

Time for the silent majority to start getting vocal.

and thanks to the new people who are speaking out.

Quote:as a point of order. this is what BAJR is about. Dino... I know who, and it was a rocky start. but BAJR Fed is about letting people have a voice. with some degree of anonymity if wanted. There are MPs, Executives, Consultants, Curators , diggers, anyone... here... I know cos they often meet me and say... I love reading... I just never say anything... I just want to see the open thoughts... right or wrong, you can have you say - unless you take me into litigation land!

So... lets stick with the issue at hand. and suck in some pride.
Quote:not sure why you think that some large ro's would pull out of the ifa if they had to pay their staff a living wage

Because they often do threaten exactly that, and no doubt will do again. At the core of that argument is who the IfA are representing (ROs or individual members) and whether it is right that the few can hold the many to ransom in that way.

my post is in reply to Prentice above, who was talking about Paul Belford's blog..
Dinosaur Wrote:You're like a stuck record!

All this s**ts been hashed over plenty of times on here before - and yet the workforce still seem to like turning up...

Cant remember the details of how the accom thing worked, Jack's your man for that when he gets around to posting again and I wouldn't want to get any bits wrong, but I'm afraid the whole setup has been deemed to be entirely legal so you're wasting your time wingeing about it. Anyway its not currently relevent since the current crew are PAYEed.

Err, have worked for 15 other outfits in the last 20 years interspersed amongst spells with my current employer, and I'm afraid I've never recieved the same level of remuneration elsewhere as I've been getting at similar points in time here, that'll be why I've kept coming back!

There's no secret who I work for, anyone posting on here a couple of years ago is fully aware I only started posting to respond to some of the more fantastical statements and generally somewhat innaccurate statements being made about the 'UiN' (which, by the way, even BAJR once commented on here sounded like a good place to work!) - but I'm sure we're all friends now :face-approve:


I didn't make any inaccurate statements, I just repeated information you had posted and I don't think I have commented on it before. All I know is that ?65 per day for a 'self employed' contractor is about half what I would have thought was acceptable, not including accommodation, travel etc. I would also be personally, and I'm not just having a go, very concerned if I were a director of said organisation and there was a VAT inspection. It's all well and good acting like friends but if something sounds fishy then people have a right to be concerned about it. I don't know what the full details of the situation are, I've not worked for UiN, but saying 'it's legal' so that is the end of it is not acceptable. The workforce 'likes to turn up' - do they, or do people just need to have jobs and have little choice? Having a consultation or discussion about pay rates is pointless without transparency and I can't see sh*t.
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PLease lets stick to the topic... no matter what...

I know we want to make points.. but this is about what to do about the current situation
it does need us to pull together to get things changed and I think most of us agree wages need to rise especially for those at the bottom of the wage structure. Skills, expertise and length of service need to be recognisied. How do we do that in a free market and imploding economy? Do we have to accept that some units will go to the wall and many individuals will get pushed out of a profession they love?

I don't know what the answer is but whatever it is we will have to work together to achieve it.
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PLease lets stick to the topic... no matter what...

I know we want to make points.. but this is about what to do about the current situation

But Redearth wants to talk ancient(ish) history! :face-crying:

Oh, the last VAT inspection apparently went fine thanks :face-approve:
The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) annual inflation stands at 2.2 per cent in September 2012, down from 2.5 per cent in August. This is the slowest rate of inflation since November 2009, when it was 1.9 per cent. The majority of the downward pressure to the change in the CPI came from the housing & household services sector with September 2011?s utility bill rises falling out of the index calculation. There were significant upward pressures from the transport (predominantly motor fuels), recreation & culture and miscellaneous goods & services sectors. The CPI stands at 123.5 in September 2012 based on 2005=100

The Retail Prices Index (RPI) annual inflation stands at 2.6 per cent in September 2012, down from 2.9 per cent in August. As with the CPI, by far the largest downward pressure to the change in the RPI came as a result of September 2011?s utility bill rises falling out of the index calculation. The majority of the upward pressure to the index came from an increase in the price of motor fuels. The RPI stands at 244.2 in September 2012 based on January 1987 = 100

Which is the IFA using? Either way a pay increase of 2.5% would only preserve the status-quo. Anything less is a pay cut. so even 3% would only be an improvement of 0.5% on archaeological pay. I would be happy to see a CPI increase for AIFA and MIFA if it meant the IFA would make a SUBSTANTIAL increase to the PIFA rate of pay. After all, we will only can only move at the pace set by the slowest amongst us (Old military term).:face-thinks:
sadie Wrote:Because they often do threaten exactly that, and no doubt will do again. At the core of that argument is who the IfA are representing (ROs or individual members) and whether it is right that the few can hold the many to ransom in that way.

my post is in reply to Prentice above, who was talking about Paul Belford's blog..

then maybe council should explain why the benefit of a few is allowed to outway the needs of the many?
if large ro's are threatening to withdraw why do we want them to stay? what would be the benefit to archaeology and the majority of archaeologists?
anyway how would such ro's explain their departure from the scheme on their websites and their marketing material? how could they waver from being positively in favour to negatively against on the basis of the p&c of the workforce?
do fieldworker pay levels affect the number of archaeological jobs available? no they dont.


get rid of them and hope they sink
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